Barbara de Zoete said:
Now hold your horses, angry young sir. This is a newsgroup. Not your
personal helpdesk. You cannot demand whatever response of anyone. Karl is
very legit with his response.
As to being new: if you enter any sort of community, be it a forum or a
bar or a hotel or a newsgroup or a school or later, when you really grow
up, a home for the elderly, first thing you look for is how people
interact, find the do's and don'ts.
One of the don'ts in any newsgroup I know, is that the same question gets
repeatedly answerd over and over and over again by the same group of
people. Referring to the archives of this newsgroup might in fact be a
better answer than any one you got in this thread, because it includes
much more than gets revealed in this single thread, especially since
people stopped contributing to this question.
It would be a lot easier for all of us if you could accompany a next
question whith a short talk about what you have done to find the answer
yourself. That way you wont get advise to do what you already did for
example.
I have been doing the Internet for a year and a half now after
re-introducing myself to computing. I have become completely immersed and
it is a wonderful hobby, and I spend lots of time in. I know quite a bit
now in several aspects of computing. I am no dummy. You say one of the
don't is this, and I say no, it is not. Not if all it takes is a few
sentences for sure.
I have been doing Usenet in the year and a half. I am right on about some
"members" of this newsgroup. I have looked in here more than I let on. I
know a bit more than I let on about website design, though still not very
knowledgeable in a lot of it, and thus my post was legitimate. I felt I
had to act this way or else get the "snub" again.
So when I say I don't like replies that tell me to research on my own by
checking into other posts in the newsgroup instead of easily answering me
with the same amount of energy used that it took to tell me to go fish, I
feel it is a legitimate point of view. I do not see it written down that
it should be this way, I just happen to think not and you do. If it said
was alt.html.professionas I wouldn't even be here and I wouldn't ask here.
A far as I am concerned by the newsgeoup title name, utter complete
beginners should be able to ask very basic stuff here, and get helpful
anwsers. Not "go fish". At least should be "You have to learn just a few
basics, start here and come back later once you've got a few thjings down:
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/
And I understand this is a newsgroup - so in that light, My opinion of how
to research a subject and yours are equally legit. So we have differing
opinions about it. He is not the first to mention to others to look it up
yourself, and I feel the same way about those replies too. Nothing is
100%, in a few cases are legit, not usually.
I'd be searching for what headers?, And spending time reading each post I
was searching, then trying another search criteria.., hoping it hit on my
issue. So - my opinion is newgroups exist for exacltly that you don't
have to research first !! And also when I subscribe to a newsgroup like
I just did here, I don't have it load up every post available, I give it a
finite number (like a weeks worth of headers).. So I can't search back
anyway unless I unsubscribe and re subscribe and load up 1000s of headers,
which I ain't gonna do, and don't feel others should have to do either.
So we disagree. I spouted, you spouted. Where in the rules does it say
you have to pre-research before you ask a question. Some suggest this of
course. I am on the opposite fence of what a newsgroups function is.
Also, I haven't been completely honest, I kinda acted as if I did not
already have a 3rd party website writing program, but I do already have
one, and am just now getting used to it. But I wanted pure feedback
because I'll abandon this one (was only $50) if there is something better
to look into... It is not a well known company that makes it. I just
wanted to see if I could get away from telling a possible client that I
might write for to buy the same program I used to maintain the site. I
don't like a few things it handles certain ways. Kind of mystical writing
all scripts. There should be a lesser $$ "maintenance" software package,
but there is not. Also why waste time training myself with it, if
eventually I would move beyond the "individual & small business" stage..
It is all speculation now as I have not yet written anything for anyone.
Here's what I've done so far. Didn't know what "HTML" was 6 months ago.
Learned from websites like davesite - not asking here - so I am not that
Fxxkin lazy. New site new name. Abandoned my old site name for
something more generic (ran a Blacknova Traders web-based game website
written in notepad & HTML only my son wanted - no Javascript or any other
languages, and still am not real knowledgeable with the java, though can
copy-paste and try).
In case anyone is interested in my effort thus far with a $50 3rd party
program :
http://www.kicknet.net Like I said - trying to break into the
individuals or small business as a part time occasional gig.. Don't be
too critical.
...D.
