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Message: [QUOTE="Dan Pop, post: 1713302"] Still badly missing the point. I seldom use auto-indent, but I use very often other indentation commands, like CTRL-T and shifts, whose operation is controlled by the setting of sw and, therefore, has nothing to do with ts. Yet, vi is using the ts setting to convert the spaces generated by these commands into HTs. Hence my solution to set ts to a ludicrously large value in my .exrc. There is nothing preventing me from resetting it to 8 (which I can achieve with a single key press) when I detect HTs in other people's texts (they're glaringly obvious when ts is set to 100 ;-) Dan [/QUOTE]