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Ilias Lazaridis
[posted publicly to comp.lang.python, with email notification to 6
recipients relevant to the topic]
I have implemented a simple schema evolution support for django, due to
a need for a personal project. Additionally, I've provided an Audit:
http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DjangoAudit
As a result, I was censored ('banned' from the development list)
My initial non-public complain [1] about censorship on django devel,
sent to six relevant project recipients [2] remained unanswered.
The only 'answer' I got was an additional censorship on the _user_ list,
which is _completely_ unjustified, as I've just requested comments to my
code-level working results:
http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_frm/thread/88dcc4946c3bd7b2
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I understand that the community was possibly confused due to my past
evaluations. But this gives in _no_ way the right to attack me
personally and to apply censorship.
"Django was originally created in late 2003 at World Online, the Web
division2 of the Lawrence Journal-World newspaper in Lawrence, Kansas"
http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/AUTHORS#L128
The Django Project should really avoid such non-liberal actions in future.
Please enable my access to the user list, thus I can complete my work.
Thank you.
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P.S.:
If anyone is interested to verify the results, in order to stabelize the
simple schema evolution support for django, please review the results
here:
http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DjangoProductEvaluation
http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DjangoSchemaEvolution
http://case.lazaridis.com/browser/django/rework/evolve.py
http://case.lazaridis.com/browser/django/rework/add_evolvedb_command.diff
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Sidenote:
I've implemented the above as the suggestions from the django project
(manually create an execute ALTER TABLE statements) would hinder me to
develop my application incrementally:
"If you do care about deleting data, you'll have to execute the ALTER
TABLE statements manually in your database. That's the way we've always
done it, because dealing with data is a very sensitive operation that
we've wanted to avoid automating. That said, there's some work being
done to add partially automated database-upgrade functionality."
http://www.djangoproject.com/docume...anges-to-a-model-how-do-i-update-the-database
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[1]
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Date : 2006-06-03 08:32
Subject: pj.audit.django.censorship/offer.
*SUMMARY*
* Censorship on django-developer
* Personal Projects
[...] - (non-public commercial part omitted)
*CENSORSHIP*
I would like to know for which reason I was "banned" from the developers
list.
Django comes from an newspaper environment, and I think you should
really evaluate your information twice before you *censor* someone on
the list, who has posted only topics relevant to django development in
order to fulfill several tasks for an Audit:
http://case.lazaridis.com/multi/wiki/DjangoAudit
Is this here really enough to justify censorship?:
http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/msg/fbb5a3aafe39d239
Please, Mr. Holovaty, enable my access to the development-list again
thus I can finalize my work.
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*PERSONAL_PROJECTS*
Instead of blocking me without any justification from the
development-list, why don't you just look on my website, where I list
some links (including that one found' and explain the project:
http://lazaridis.com/core/eval/index.html
I've worked several years on this "Core Project", which is finalized,
and in 2006 I've started to define the resulting services:
http://lazaridis.com/pj/index.html
As stated, I use django for a personal project (which I hope will secure
me some incomings). The evolve functionality was necessary in order to
start with development of my project. At the same time I made the audit
publicly, thus other people can benefit from my experiences.
Additionally, I look for a reference customer. Although I had planned to
finalize the Audit first and then to contact you, the missing access to
the developer list forces me to change my schedule.
[...] - (non-public commercial part omitted)
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[2]
The recipients were take for the following file:
http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/faq/#who-s-behind-this
and from this file:
http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/AUTHORS
..
recipients relevant to the topic]
I have implemented a simple schema evolution support for django, due to
a need for a personal project. Additionally, I've provided an Audit:
http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DjangoAudit
As a result, I was censored ('banned' from the development list)
My initial non-public complain [1] about censorship on django devel,
sent to six relevant project recipients [2] remained unanswered.
The only 'answer' I got was an additional censorship on the _user_ list,
which is _completely_ unjustified, as I've just requested comments to my
code-level working results:
http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_frm/thread/88dcc4946c3bd7b2
-
I understand that the community was possibly confused due to my past
evaluations. But this gives in _no_ way the right to attack me
personally and to apply censorship.
"Django was originally created in late 2003 at World Online, the Web
division2 of the Lawrence Journal-World newspaper in Lawrence, Kansas"
http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/AUTHORS#L128
The Django Project should really avoid such non-liberal actions in future.
Please enable my access to the user list, thus I can complete my work.
Thank you.
-
P.S.:
If anyone is interested to verify the results, in order to stabelize the
simple schema evolution support for django, please review the results
here:
http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DjangoProductEvaluation
http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/DjangoSchemaEvolution
http://case.lazaridis.com/browser/django/rework/evolve.py
http://case.lazaridis.com/browser/django/rework/add_evolvedb_command.diff
-
Sidenote:
I've implemented the above as the suggestions from the django project
(manually create an execute ALTER TABLE statements) would hinder me to
develop my application incrementally:
"If you do care about deleting data, you'll have to execute the ALTER
TABLE statements manually in your database. That's the way we've always
done it, because dealing with data is a very sensitive operation that
we've wanted to avoid automating. That said, there's some work being
done to add partially automated database-upgrade functionality."
http://www.djangoproject.com/docume...anges-to-a-model-how-do-i-update-the-database
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[1]
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Date : 2006-06-03 08:32
Subject: pj.audit.django.censorship/offer.
*SUMMARY*
* Censorship on django-developer
* Personal Projects
[...] - (non-public commercial part omitted)
*CENSORSHIP*
I would like to know for which reason I was "banned" from the developers
list.
Django comes from an newspaper environment, and I think you should
really evaluate your information twice before you *censor* someone on
the list, who has posted only topics relevant to django development in
order to fulfill several tasks for an Audit:
http://case.lazaridis.com/multi/wiki/DjangoAudit
Is this here really enough to justify censorship?:
http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/msg/fbb5a3aafe39d239
Please, Mr. Holovaty, enable my access to the development-list again
thus I can finalize my work.
-
*PERSONAL_PROJECTS*
Instead of blocking me without any justification from the
development-list, why don't you just look on my website, where I list
some links (including that one found' and explain the project:
http://lazaridis.com/core/eval/index.html
I've worked several years on this "Core Project", which is finalized,
and in 2006 I've started to define the resulting services:
http://lazaridis.com/pj/index.html
As stated, I use django for a personal project (which I hope will secure
me some incomings). The evolve functionality was necessary in order to
start with development of my project. At the same time I made the audit
publicly, thus other people can benefit from my experiences.
Additionally, I look for a reference customer. Although I had planned to
finalize the Audit first and then to contact you, the missing access to
the developer list forces me to change my schedule.
[...] - (non-public commercial part omitted)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
[2]
The recipients were take for the following file:
http://www.djangoproject.com/documentation/faq/#who-s-behind-this
and from this file:
http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/AUTHORS
..