Email Client Development...GoDaddy Spam Filter

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googlegroups

Hi All,

I'm adding email simple send-mail capabilities to an application
written in C++. I have everything working via SMTP just fine, but when
I send emails to any of my addresses that are hosted by GoDaddy, they
disappear into their Spam filter, without any sort of comment about
why. I imagine GoDaddy is finding something objectionable about the
email headers that I'm writing, but I don't know what. Does anybody
have any insight as to what GoDaddy looks for in the headers, or of
any sort of header-validation that can be done?

Thanks,
Tom
 
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Jack Klein

Hi All,

I'm adding email simple send-mail capabilities to an application
written in C++. I have everything working via SMTP just fine, but when
I send emails to any of my addresses that are hosted by GoDaddy, they
disappear into their Spam filter, without any sort of comment about
why. I imagine GoDaddy is finding something objectionable about the
email headers that I'm writing, but I don't know what. Does anybody
have any insight as to what GoDaddy looks for in the headers, or of
any sort of header-validation that can be done?

Your question has absolutely nothing to do with the standard C++
language, which does not define SMTP or any other form of networking.

As to what GoDaddy considers to be spam, I suggest you contact their
technical support.

--
Jack Klein
Home: http://JK-Technology.Com
FAQs for
comp.lang.c http://c-faq.com/
comp.lang.c++ http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/
alt.comp.lang.learn.c-c++
http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/~ajo/docs/FAQ-acllc.html
 
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googlegroups

Your question has absolutely nothing to do with the standard C++
language, which does not define SMTP or any other form of networking.

As to what GoDaddy considers to be spam, I suggest you contact their
technical support.


Well, thanks loads, Mr. Helpful.

Incidentally, your response in alt.spam has nothing to do with the
topic of that group, either.
 
S

Sherm Pendley

Does anybody
have any insight as to what GoDaddy looks for in the headers, or of
any sort of header-validation that can be done?

The same thing they'd be looking for if your app happened to be written
in Perl, Pascal, Visual Basic, or Brainf**k.

This has nothing to do with C++. Followups set.

sherm--
 
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Alf P. Steinbach

* (e-mail address removed):
[failing to attribute quotes, moronic cross-posting, other trolling]
Your question has absolutely nothing to do with the standard C++
language, which does not define SMTP or any other form of networking.

As to what GoDaddy considers to be spam, I suggest you contact their
technical support.

Well, thanks loads, Mr. Helpful.

Incidentally, your response in alt.spam has nothing to do with the
topic of that group, either.

Just a friendly hint: disappear.
 
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googlegroups

Just a friendly hint: disappear.


Well, had I known you guys were so hostile, I never would have posted
here in the first place. It's not like it's horribly unreasonable to
assume that a group called comp.lang.c++ would branch into more
general development topics, but I guess not. It's not like I asked
what the capital of Mauritania is. It's interesting that I got slammed
harder than whoever posted the "Britneys New BOOB job fails Silcone
Valley everywhere!!" topic here.

Whatever, next time I need to know the answer to something I can look
up in a book, I'll know where to come.
 
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Branimir Maksimovic

Well, had I known you guys were so hostile, I never would have posted
here in the first place. It's not like it's horribly unreasonable to
assume that a group called comp.lang.c++ would branch into more
general development topics, but I guess not. It's not like I asked
what the capital of Mauritania is. It's interesting that I got slammed
harder than whoever posted the "Britneys New BOOB job fails Silcone
Valley everywhere!!" topic here.

Whatever, next time I need to know the answer to something I can look
up in a book, I'll know where to come.

Well, people are trying to help you. You asked in a wrong place,
because
people here answer C++ related questions.
On the other hand you never described what you are doing exactly
with your C++ program;
but my crystal ball tells me that you will find information from
following
web site usefull:
http://www.postcastserver.com/help/DNS_Lookups.aspx

Greetings, Branimir.
 
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googlegroups

You asked in a wrong place,
because
people here answer C++ related questions.


That's fine, I guess, but I don't quite understand why the responses
have been so hostile to a perfectly legitimate question which is only
marginally unrelated to the topic of this group. It was an honest
mistake on my part, but I don't see why that mistake warrants replies
like "Just a friendly hint: disappear."

On the other hand you never described what you are doing exactly
with your C++ program;
but my crystal ball tells me that


I imagine that you're implying that I'm a spammer. Interesting that a
developer would assume that anybody writing an email program who wants
to make sure the headers are valid *must* be a spammer. As to what I'm
writing, I'm the author of a personal wiki application. If you're
really interested, you can learn more about it at the domain name in
my email address. I'm trying to add the ability to send alerts and
wiki pages via email.

you will find information from
following
web site usefull:http://www.postcastserver.com/help/DNS_Lookups.aspx


I'm sending mail via my ISP's smtp server. My ISP is a pretty large
ISP, and the email gets sent just fine to most servers, so I'm
thinking DNS Lookup isn't the problem. I'm also not trying to
"disguise the source" of anything. I'm just trying to send an email.
But yeah, thanks for assuming I'm a spammer.

Tom
 
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red floyd

That's fine, I guess, but I don't quite understand why the responses
have been so hostile to a perfectly legitimate question which is only
marginally unrelated to the topic of this group.

Excuse me? ***MARGINALLY*** unrelated? How exactly was your question
related to the C++ language as defined by ISO/IEC 14882 (take your pick
of the 1998 or 2003 version)?

It was completely off-topic, which you would have known had you read the
FAQ first (as recommended), especially section 5:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/how-to-post.html
 
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Clark Cox

That's fine, I guess, but I don't quite understand why the responses
have been so hostile to a perfectly legitimate question which is only
marginally unrelated to the topic of this group.

s/marginally/totally and completely/

It was an honest
mistake on my part, but I don't see why that mistake warrants replies
like "Just a friendly hint: disappear."

That response didn't come until *after* you sarcastically mocked Jack
Klein's response. In which he gave you some helpful advice; for your
own good, take it:
 
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googlegroups

You asked in a wrong place,
because
people here answer C++ related questions.


Yes, and while it was a mistake, it was an honest mistake. It doesn't
seem unreasonable to assume that a C++ Group would branch out into
more broad development topics. Many groups like this do. Apparently I
was wrong. Little did I know this was one of the more antisocial C++
groups. Perhaps my post was a bit off-topic, but I don't think it was
so off-topic as to warrant hostile responses like "Just a friendly
hint: disappear."

On the other hand you never described what you are doing exactly
with your C++ program;


I am the author of a personal wiki based information manager. If
you're interested, you can find out more information about it by going
to the domain in my email address. I'm attempting to add the ability
to send alerts and wiki pages via email.

but my crystal ball tells me that you will find information from
following
web site usefull:http://www.postcastserver.com/help/DNS_Lookups.aspx


I imagine you're implying that I'm a spammer. Interesting that a
developer would assume that anyone who's working on an email client
*must* be a spammer. Surely, nobody but a spammer would write an email
client, right? Anyway, since I'm sending email via my ISP's SMTP
server, and given that my ISP is a fairly large ISP in the US, I'm
guessing it's not a problem. I'm also not doing anything to "disguise
the source" of the email, since I don't have any reason to do that.

Maybe you should have your crystal balls checked.

Tom
 
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googlegroups

Excuse me? ***MARGINALLY*** unrelated?



It's not like I asked what I should do about the fact that my car has
been running hot recently. I asked a question about an app I'm
developing in C++. Incidentally, I've noticed that this group gets all
kinds of really off topic posts that just get ignored. Don't know why
mine made you guys foam at the mouths...
 
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Branimir Maksimovic

I imagine that you're implying that I'm a spammer.

No, I'm implying that you want to write smtp relay and testing
it from your home computer.
I'm trying to add the ability to send alerts and
wiki pages via email.

I have email that is hosted on server that has smtp server
that rejects non us character sets, let alone html with attachments.
I'm sending mail via my ISP's smtp server. My ISP is a pretty large
ISP, and the email gets sent just fine to most servers, so I'm
thinking DNS Lookup isn't the problem.

Ah, you are more specific now. But if your originating mail isn't
hosted
on server sending mail, or something doesn't match with return path
that could still be problem.
I'm thinking that this is problem because smtp's usually don;t
silently
drop emails if just headers or contents are problem.
But you should check with GoDaddy anyway, as first suggested.
I'm out of ideas ;)
I'm just trying to send an email.

That's obvious ;)
But yeah, thanks for assuming I'm a spammer.

Relax, nobody assumes that.

Greetings, Branimir.
 
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Lionel B

Yes, and while it was a mistake, it was an honest mistake.

In which case, surely your correct response should have been to admit
that straight away and find a more appropriate forum rather than, as you
did, to attack the person who pointed out your mistake.
It doesn't
seem unreasonable to assume that a C++ Group would branch out into more
broad development topics. Many groups like this do. Apparently I was
wrong. Little did I know this was one of the more antisocial C++ groups.
Perhaps my post was a bit off-topic,

Your post was *completely* off-topic - "branching out" doesn't enter into
it! Personally, I don't find this ng "antisocial" at all. As you may have
noticed, it is pretty high-volume; as such, it really needs to stay
focused on its topic to remain the immensely useful resource it is -
hence the lack of tolerance for OT posting.
but I don't think it was so
off-topic as to warrant hostile responses like "Just a friendly hint:
disappear."

That was a response to *your* hostile response to a previous poster.

Look, in posting on this newsgroup you are soliciting unpaid-for help
from altruistic individuals (and, on this ng, frequently extremely expert
ones). Surely the very least you can do is respect its conventions and
etiquette. First port of call should (as always) be the FAQ.

Regards,
 
R

Robert Maas, see http://tinyurl.com/uh3t

(I'm keeping both newsgroups here, because the OP's topic was
appropriate for one newsgroup but these excerpts from C++ FAQ and
meta-discussion of that FAQ are appropriate for the other
newsgroup.)
From: red floyd <[email protected]>
It was completely off-topic, which you would have known had you
read the FAQ first (as recommended), especially section 5:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/how-to-post.html

I have a little gripe with the current state of art in FAQ technology.
<http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/how-to-post.html#faq-5.5>
Note #1: Please don't give them the location of the appropriate FAQ.
E.g., don't say, "Look at FAQ [10.3]" or "Look in section [10]". It's
the old give-them-a-fish vs. teach-them-to-fish problem.

Surely the technology exists whereby there could be a search engine
for each FAQ. The novice enters some search terms, or a natural
language question, and the engine finds one or more sections that
seem to match some of the search terms or keywords. This is similar
to what MicroSoft tries to do in some of their help systems in
software such as MicroSoft Word, although their implementation is
utter crap from my limited personal experience, such as when I
tried to ask it how to change some rather simple aspect of
formatting. IMO it's possible to do much better in the case where
there are only a hundred or so separate FAQ questions, and all it
has to do is find one of them (or more than one if it's not clear
which match is best). I offered to work on such a facility a few
years ago, but nobody showed any interest in being first-round
testers of anything I wrote, so without pay or testers I did other
stuff instead. But if anybody ever liked my idea, and I wasn't in
the middle of some major project, I might finally give it a shot.

A good librarian, confronted with a patron asking about some topic,
might take the patron directly to the particular section having
that topic. Or the librarian might show the patron how to search
for that topic in the online catalog. Only a very poor librarian
would simply say "it's in the stack, go look for it yourself".

Likewise, a good newsgroup helper might tell the newbie which FAQ
section has that answer, or tell the newbie what keyword to search
for, or if a search engine (as I proposed) existed, the helper
might refer the newbie to the search engine. IMO it's rude for the
so-called helper to just say "It's in the FAQ, go find it
yourself", as recommended in item 5.5. I hereby request the
maintainer of that FAQ to amend that advice to at least have the
helper recommend the appropriate keywords to search for.

There's a difference between actually teaching somebody how to swim
or fish, and just tossing the person in or beside the lake without
any instruction *how* to swim or fish.

So anyway, does anybody like my idea for FAQ search engine? Google
has been taken for granted recently. No longer we tell people just
"it's out there on the net; if you randomly look at the whole net
you might eventually find it". Instead, we say "Google is your
friend" as a reminder how easy it is to find things via a search
engine, often easier than directly asking on a newsgroup. Or we
give an off-the-top-of-head answer, which is sorta wrong, but which
has the correct technical jargon, so the newcomer can then search
Google using that jargon to find the correct info, so the
sorta-wrong answer turned out to be very very useful.
 

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