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Catholic Exorcism
Failed Exorcism: The Blind Leading The Blind
Subject: Re: Catholic Exorcisms
Date: 1997/10/12
SEVERAL EXORCISMS
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The Exorcism of Nicola Aubrey In the Year 1565 (from catholic.org)
The devil laughed at the priest, and, putting on a most comical look,
he said: "Ho! Ho! My good friend; do you intend to expel me with your
prayers and hymns? Do you think that they will cause me any pain? Don't you
know that they are mine? I helped to compose them!" "I will expel thee in
the name of God," said the preacher, solemnly. "You!" said the devil,
mockingly. "You will not expel me either in the name of God, or in the name
of the devil. Did you ever hear of one devil driving out another?" "I am not
a devil," said the preacher, angrily, "I am a servant of Christ." "A servant
of Christ, indeed!" said Satan, with a sneer. Do you suppose that you can
expel me from the body of this miserable wretch? Ha! Go first and expel all
the devils that are in your own heart!"
Satan knew that a demon was doing the exorcism, that the priest was
possessed. Just a joke, to him. This exorcism supposedly ended
successfully, but I'm no fool: We all have demons. I believe that the
possessed priest would call it successful, regardless, as they did in 3 more
instances below, and also in the case of Mary, in the MPD article on our
research page. They call it acknowledging God's power, or something. The
church is not going to admit failure, and especially not in this case, where
150,000 people were supposedly watching the case. I've seen it, the priests,
under supposed annointing from spirit, declare victory, which is total
nonsense. I've seen it a hundred times. They probably shipped her off to
come convent, or somewhere, out of sight.
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Mickey, Faith, and Shiloh's Exorcisms
Garibaldi <"23@90"@loc.com wrote in message
<[email protected]...
Mickey wrote:
Greg,
I was exorcised in 1979. It did not work. Let's band together,
and
see if we can come up with some answers. From what I understand, the
catholic church has disbanded most of it's exorcism personnel, for some
strange reason, in these last days. Either exorcism does not work, or
either they dont want any responsibility.
Hang in there, and let me know if I can help (support).
There is a good reason,the Citadel of the Lord has being taken by the
Enemy,naturally he does not want to have exorcists around.
I recently became acquainted with a woman who went to the catholic
church seeking an exorcist. She was immediately recommended for psychiatric
evaluation. They told her that if she could pass that test, then they would
consider an exorcism.
I was not surprised. Here, below, is the attachment that I sent her:
Faith wrote:
Hey "mickey" -- I hope you're still reading because I'm coming in on this
one a little late ...
Faith wrote:
Same story 100 times over, different day. Isn't it funny how they all
do that? They can't *DO* it, so they want *you* to pander to their need
for reassurance by *faking* like it's over. But you *can't* fake, because
the TORTURE won't stop. And because you *can't* fake, they interpret that
as being you *WON'T* fake. But instead of "fake", they call it
"acknowledge God's power" or something like that (only it isn't "God"'s
ANYTHING; it would just be *FAKING*!) So they accuse YOU of being stubborn,
obstinate, rebellious, cooperating with "the Enemy". A friend of Mine and I
came up with a term for this sudden, snarling 180-degree turnabout maneuver
some
twelve years ago. We called it "RESORTING." So they Resort. They
Resort to casting YOU out because they can't cast "Them" out.
But see, here's the deal, mikey. The reason they do this is that their
failure at exorcism sets up for THEM the very same theological paradox
your experience of possession set up for you. And they cannot handle
it. It utterly, completely terrifies them -- the haunting, endless
questions, the roller-coaster logic, the ping-pong back and forth
between "blaming God" and "blaming one's self". What is the paradox? In a
nutshell, this: by all experiential reality, the "God who cannot lie"
suddenly has; the "God who keeps his promises" suddenly doesn't; the
"God alone who can save" suddenly won't, or can't, or chooses not to -- but
what do the "whys" matter when you're in PAIN??? -- for whatever reason,
IT ISN'T HAPPENING! WHAM, theological impasse. And no way out -- for
you. But for the little man of the cloth, the way out is easy: get rid
of the *source* of all this troublesome, harrowing, horrifying
analytical questioning before it destroys his faith.
You know, I have a feeling all this happened before -- mythically
speaking, when a certain Brilliant Leader was hurled from the gates of His
home, down through the starry skies ...
Faith wrote:
Been there, done that.
Faith wrote:
This really hits home. Tell Shiloh I've been integrated for nearly two
years now and LOVING it. If you are interested, either you or Shiloh or
both can drop Me a line and we can continue this conversation "privately".
Contrary to popular opinion, the Master and I are here to heal, not to
hassle.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One comment here:
Here, Faith would appear to have sold-out, sided with the devil
in order to stop the pain. Haven't we all been there?
The devil is a liar, he works using deceit. I've seen this in my
own life, where Satan attempted to try and make me think
that I was siding with him, summoning him, conjuring him, selling soul,
seeking
his help or assistance in some matters (his own desires with me and my
life). This
is all just another one of this tricks, nothing but a lie. Dont' fall for
it. A person who
is demon possessed cannot be held accountable, nor credible. Not capable of
thought or reaction. Who lived, at the time? A demon, not Faith. Faith was
ill,
semi-dead, impaired. None of this was ever her idea, creation, choice,
free-will; and
why/how would free-will ever come into the picture, in such situations? The
demon
that was present used a trick, to try and sell her out; he made her think
that she
was going along with it, creator of it, just another lie. Faith was nothing
more
than an impaired zombie, a puppet, semi-dead, paralyzed, incapable of
anything,
in my own opinion and experience. Quote, "Lets make her think to sell her
soul
to Santa". "Who shall see it?" It's just another mindcontrol technique, for
the
zombie impaired sub-concious puppets of trance. Man, blinded pets on a
leash.
Who shall see it? The percentage of humanity today, under such delusion, is
probably a significant number. The percentage of those totally blind, who
live
for the moment, of the flesh/world, who do not even consider themselves
members of the human race (abductors), is probably also a significant
number.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Someone else had written:
I believe there are a number of failures in the Catholic approach to
exorcism.
Failure #1: Personalization of the exorist with the demon.
The Catholic Church seems to view the act of exorcism as some
kind of battle between the exorcist and the possessing entity.
The possessed seems to be treated like an incidental character.
Failure #2: Authoritarianism.
The Catholic Church places authority in the hands of the Bishop.
Failure #3: Ritualization.
The Rituale Romanum is fraught with ritual which limits the
ability of the exorcist to perform the exorcism.
I believe the Catholic Church ought to go back and visit the
exorcist ceremonies performed by Jesus and his apostles. They'd
find no personalization, authority only from God/Jesus, minimal
ritualization beyond:
1. Identifying the offending entity through interrogation.
2. Praying about the possession.
3. Using God's/Jesus' authority to exorcise the extity [this might
include instructing the entity on where to go and where it
cannot go.
20 related demonology articles and free possession testimonial book
http://groups.msn.com/demonization/messages.msnw
Multiple personality Disorder
main internet chat discussion board
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.dissociation
Demon Possession & Exorcism
main internet chat discussion board
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.christnet.demonology
Me? Wholives.com
Failed Exorcism: The Blind Leading The Blind
Subject: Re: Catholic Exorcisms
Date: 1997/10/12
SEVERAL EXORCISMS
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
The Exorcism of Nicola Aubrey In the Year 1565 (from catholic.org)
The devil laughed at the priest, and, putting on a most comical look,
he said: "Ho! Ho! My good friend; do you intend to expel me with your
prayers and hymns? Do you think that they will cause me any pain? Don't you
know that they are mine? I helped to compose them!" "I will expel thee in
the name of God," said the preacher, solemnly. "You!" said the devil,
mockingly. "You will not expel me either in the name of God, or in the name
of the devil. Did you ever hear of one devil driving out another?" "I am not
a devil," said the preacher, angrily, "I am a servant of Christ." "A servant
of Christ, indeed!" said Satan, with a sneer. Do you suppose that you can
expel me from the body of this miserable wretch? Ha! Go first and expel all
the devils that are in your own heart!"
Satan knew that a demon was doing the exorcism, that the priest was
possessed. Just a joke, to him. This exorcism supposedly ended
successfully, but I'm no fool: We all have demons. I believe that the
possessed priest would call it successful, regardless, as they did in 3 more
instances below, and also in the case of Mary, in the MPD article on our
research page. They call it acknowledging God's power, or something. The
church is not going to admit failure, and especially not in this case, where
150,000 people were supposedly watching the case. I've seen it, the priests,
under supposed annointing from spirit, declare victory, which is total
nonsense. I've seen it a hundred times. They probably shipped her off to
come convent, or somewhere, out of sight.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Mickey, Faith, and Shiloh's Exorcisms
Garibaldi <"23@90"@loc.com wrote in message
<[email protected]...
Mickey wrote:
Greg,
I was exorcised in 1979. It did not work. Let's band together,
and
see if we can come up with some answers. From what I understand, the
catholic church has disbanded most of it's exorcism personnel, for some
strange reason, in these last days. Either exorcism does not work, or
either they dont want any responsibility.
Hang in there, and let me know if I can help (support).
There is a good reason,the Citadel of the Lord has being taken by the
Enemy,naturally he does not want to have exorcists around.
I recently became acquainted with a woman who went to the catholic
church seeking an exorcist. She was immediately recommended for psychiatric
evaluation. They told her that if she could pass that test, then they would
consider an exorcism.
I was not surprised. Here, below, is the attachment that I sent her:
Faith wrote:
Hey "mickey" -- I hope you're still reading because I'm coming in on this
one a little late ...
Faith wrote:
Same story 100 times over, different day. Isn't it funny how they all
do that? They can't *DO* it, so they want *you* to pander to their need
for reassurance by *faking* like it's over. But you *can't* fake, because
the TORTURE won't stop. And because you *can't* fake, they interpret that
as being you *WON'T* fake. But instead of "fake", they call it
"acknowledge God's power" or something like that (only it isn't "God"'s
ANYTHING; it would just be *FAKING*!) So they accuse YOU of being stubborn,
obstinate, rebellious, cooperating with "the Enemy". A friend of Mine and I
came up with a term for this sudden, snarling 180-degree turnabout maneuver
some
twelve years ago. We called it "RESORTING." So they Resort. They
Resort to casting YOU out because they can't cast "Them" out.
But see, here's the deal, mikey. The reason they do this is that their
failure at exorcism sets up for THEM the very same theological paradox
your experience of possession set up for you. And they cannot handle
it. It utterly, completely terrifies them -- the haunting, endless
questions, the roller-coaster logic, the ping-pong back and forth
between "blaming God" and "blaming one's self". What is the paradox? In a
nutshell, this: by all experiential reality, the "God who cannot lie"
suddenly has; the "God who keeps his promises" suddenly doesn't; the
"God alone who can save" suddenly won't, or can't, or chooses not to -- but
what do the "whys" matter when you're in PAIN??? -- for whatever reason,
IT ISN'T HAPPENING! WHAM, theological impasse. And no way out -- for
you. But for the little man of the cloth, the way out is easy: get rid
of the *source* of all this troublesome, harrowing, horrifying
analytical questioning before it destroys his faith.
You know, I have a feeling all this happened before -- mythically
speaking, when a certain Brilliant Leader was hurled from the gates of His
home, down through the starry skies ...
Faith wrote:
Been there, done that.
Faith wrote:
This really hits home. Tell Shiloh I've been integrated for nearly two
years now and LOVING it. If you are interested, either you or Shiloh or
both can drop Me a line and we can continue this conversation "privately".
Contrary to popular opinion, the Master and I are here to heal, not to
hassle.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One comment here:
Here, Faith would appear to have sold-out, sided with the devil
in order to stop the pain. Haven't we all been there?
The devil is a liar, he works using deceit. I've seen this in my
own life, where Satan attempted to try and make me think
that I was siding with him, summoning him, conjuring him, selling soul,
seeking
his help or assistance in some matters (his own desires with me and my
life). This
is all just another one of this tricks, nothing but a lie. Dont' fall for
it. A person who
is demon possessed cannot be held accountable, nor credible. Not capable of
thought or reaction. Who lived, at the time? A demon, not Faith. Faith was
ill,
semi-dead, impaired. None of this was ever her idea, creation, choice,
free-will; and
why/how would free-will ever come into the picture, in such situations? The
demon
that was present used a trick, to try and sell her out; he made her think
that she
was going along with it, creator of it, just another lie. Faith was nothing
more
than an impaired zombie, a puppet, semi-dead, paralyzed, incapable of
anything,
in my own opinion and experience. Quote, "Lets make her think to sell her
soul
to Santa". "Who shall see it?" It's just another mindcontrol technique, for
the
zombie impaired sub-concious puppets of trance. Man, blinded pets on a
leash.
Who shall see it? The percentage of humanity today, under such delusion, is
probably a significant number. The percentage of those totally blind, who
live
for the moment, of the flesh/world, who do not even consider themselves
members of the human race (abductors), is probably also a significant
number.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Someone else had written:
I believe there are a number of failures in the Catholic approach to
exorcism.
Failure #1: Personalization of the exorist with the demon.
The Catholic Church seems to view the act of exorcism as some
kind of battle between the exorcist and the possessing entity.
The possessed seems to be treated like an incidental character.
Failure #2: Authoritarianism.
The Catholic Church places authority in the hands of the Bishop.
Failure #3: Ritualization.
The Rituale Romanum is fraught with ritual which limits the
ability of the exorcist to perform the exorcism.
I believe the Catholic Church ought to go back and visit the
exorcist ceremonies performed by Jesus and his apostles. They'd
find no personalization, authority only from God/Jesus, minimal
ritualization beyond:
1. Identifying the offending entity through interrogation.
2. Praying about the possession.
3. Using God's/Jesus' authority to exorcise the extity [this might
include instructing the entity on where to go and where it
cannot go.
20 related demonology articles and free possession testimonial book
http://groups.msn.com/demonization/messages.msnw
Multiple personality Disorder
main internet chat discussion board
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.support.dissociation
Demon Possession & Exorcism
main internet chat discussion board
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.christnet.demonology
Me? Wholives.com