here, let me help...

[Kenny]

first post to YUI, Nov 13, 2008 4:48pm
last post to YUI, Nov 18, 2008 8:29am...oh, sorry, that is the unsubscribe

first post to qooxdoo, Nov 16, 2008 9:30am
last post just now

where is Dojo? I am just looking thru my "sent" email, Dojo don't play
that. There are one or two forum web posts out there somewhere, but the
main support action on Dojo is on IRC.

email to client giving up on jQuery: 10/29
email asking someone about Dojo: 10/30
but those would not be in public archives.

Apology line forms to the right.

kt

 

[David Mark]

first post to YUI, Nov 13, 2008 4:48pm
last post to YUI, Nov 18, 2008 8:29am...oh, sorry, that is the unsubscribe

first post to qooxdoo, Nov 16, 2008 9:30am
last post just now

where is Dojo? I am just looking thru my "sent" email, Dojo don't play
that. There are one or two forum web posts out there somewhere, but the
main support action on Dojo is on IRC.

email to client giving up on jQuery: 10/29
email asking someone about Dojo: 10/30
but those would not be in public archives.

Pure fabrications (or delusions.)

Apology line forms to the right.

You get NOTHING!! You LOSE!! Good DAY, sir!!

[snip]

 

[Erwin Moller]

Kenny schreef:

first post to YUI, Nov 13, 2008 4:48pm
last post to YUI, Nov 18, 2008 8:29am...oh, sorry, that is the unsubscribe

first post to qooxdoo, Nov 16, 2008 9:30am
last post just now

where is Dojo? I am just looking thru my "sent" email, Dojo don't play
that. There are one or two forum web posts out there somewhere, but the
main support action on Dojo is on IRC.

email to client giving up on jQuery: 10/29
email asking someone about Dojo: 10/30
but those would not be in public archives.

Apology line forms to the right.

kt

Kenny again....

WTF are you babbling about?

I can only agree with David Mark here: Please take your personal notes
elsewhere.
This is a JavaScript newgroup, intended to help people with JavaScript
problems and questions.

Erwin Moller


--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare

 

[Kenny]

Kenny schreef:



Kenny again....

WTF are you babbling about?

I did not see you complaining when Mr. Mark and someone else called me a
liar.

Y'all need to learn some manners, that's all, then I can stick to JS and
qooxdoo.

Speaking of which, I got a little creative with a multi-column tree
widget (tree to left, details per node in columsn to right). What I
wanted to do was, where a node contained only one child, was to show
that "tree" as a leaf. Only problem was that I would then have a string
in the column where I normally show a count of the children.

I had been impressed that qooxdoo right-justified numbers and
left-justified strings in tables automatically, but now I was worried
about the mix... oh, cool. Numbers to right, strings to left (and that
looks pretty good in practice.)

I mention this now only because I was surfing the doc and just noticed
the flag I could use to turn off the auto-alignement, and because you
are so eager to hear more about javascript.

hth, kenny

 

[Erwin Moller]

Kenny schreef:

I did not see you complaining when Mr. Mark and someone else called me a
liar.

Y'all need to learn some manners, that's all, then I can stick to JS and
qooxdoo.

My complaint was not about manner, or Mr Mark calling you a liar.
I complain to you because you spam this ng with unrelated nonsense.
And I dislike that, so I thought I let you know.

Speaking of which, I got a little creative with a multi-column tree
widget (tree to left, details per node in columsn to right). What I
wanted to do was, where a node contained only one child, was to show
that "tree" as a leaf. Only problem was that I would then have a string
in the column where I normally show a count of the children.

I had been impressed that qooxdoo right-justified numbers and
left-justified strings in tables automatically, but now I was worried
about the mix... oh, cool. Numbers to right, strings to left (and that
looks pretty good in practice.)

I mention this now only because I was surfing the doc and just noticed
the flag I could use to turn off the auto-alignement, and because you
are so eager to hear more about javascript.

Very very interesting.
Could you maybe start a few new threads about:
1) Your early childhood
2) Your opinion about Obama
3) How you think we should tackle the greenhouse gasses problem
4) How to teach physics to Australians
5) Your thoughts about Creationism?

Do you get my point?
I don't care about your personal experiences with qooxdoo.
In case I DO care about other people's experiences with qooxdoo, I am
sure I can find a few coherent reviews on the subject somewhere on the net.

Erwin Moller

hth, kenny

--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare

 

[Kenny]

Kenny schreef:



My complaint was not about manner, or Mr Mark calling you a liar.
I complain to you because you spam this ng with unrelated nonsense.
And I dislike that, so I thought I let you know.



Very very interesting.
Could you maybe start a few new threads about:
1) Your early childhood
2) Your opinion about Obama
3) How you think we should tackle the greenhouse gasses problem
4) How to teach physics to Australians
5) Your thoughts about Creationism?

No, those are not about Javascript.

Do you get my point?
I don't care about your personal experiences with qooxdoo.

qooxdoo? The Javascript framework? Do you get my point?

The only thing OT I see is this conversation with you, so maybe we
should end this and get back to JS?

Maybe you all will be happier when I present a pure-JS FRP framework? Or
will that also be my personal diary?

peace,k

 

[Erwin Moller]

Kenny schreef:

qooxdoo? The Javascript framework? Do you get my point?

No, I keep missing your points in almost all your postings.
Maybe its me.
Maybe you must write more coherent.

The only thing OT I see is this conversation with you, so maybe we
should end this and get back to JS?

Almost, after mu next text I am happy to stop this conversation.

Maybe you all will be happier when I present a pure-JS FRP framework? Or
will that also be my personal diary?

You are totally welcome to present your (or your client's) pure JS
framework in here as far as I am concerned.

But please make it one, clear posting, describing its unique selling
points, pros and cons, and add a hyperlink to the project for those
possibly interested.

What I fail to see is what your original post has to do with presenting
a new pure-JS-whatever framework.
I also fail to see what the other thread 'Qooxdoo does Cells!!!!!
(almost)' has to do with that framework.

So as far as I am concerned: Feel free to present it to us all when it
is ready.
Personally I couldn't care less since I don't do frameworks anymore.
They have this nasty habbit of disappointing me.
But somebody else might care.
Post it when ready and tested.
Meanwhile please stop the random observations.

peace,k

Sure: peace.

Erwin Moller

--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare

 

[Gregor Kofler]

Kenny meinte:

[turd snipped]

Kenny, Kenny...

I'm pretty sure, that you just launch this posts just to tell anybody
how terrific q**xd** is.

It would be much smarter to have a blog on that and spare us your noise
in this NG.

 

[Kenny]

I also fail to see what the other thread 'Qooxdoo does Cells!!!!!
(almost)' has to do with that framework.

Did you look at the "properties" extension supported by their OO lite? A
property is an attribute supporting convenient declaration and automatic
invocation of an on-change callback. The latter allows change to one
attribute/property to propagate automatically elsewhere. One recent
example was someone who wanted to have an array which, when changed, led
to a group of <li>s being updated to match.

But in one sense you are right, this does not go far enough. That is
what I would call "push". The framework I plan would arrange for
propagation wherever an attribute was simply read by formulas of other
such attributes. ie, "pull". Think VisiCalc. The on-change mechanism is
still there for side-effects, not propagation, tho it is not illegal for
an on-change callback to assign to such properties kicking off a new
propagation.

Meanwhile please stop the random observations.

Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.

hth,kt

 

[Erwin Moller]

Kenny schreef:

Did you look at the "properties" extension supported by their OO lite?

No.
I told you already: I hate frameworks, and JS frameworks I hate even more.

A

property is an attribute supporting convenient declaration and automatic
invocation of an on-change callback. The latter allows change to one
attribute/property to propagate automatically elsewhere. One recent
example was someone who wanted to have an array which, when changed, led
to a group of <li>s being updated to match.

LOL.
I am sooo impressed.

Do you think you'll find a serious JS programmer who actually needs a
framework for that?
Well, maybe if one find oneself writing the same piece of code a few
times in a row one decides to abstract it away in a function/class or
something.
But a framework?

Really, seriously: Go ahead. Build that thing.
Maybe it is good! I don't have the slightest clue.

But please stop posting about it.

But in one sense you are right, this does not go far enough.

I am right in that?
In saying that is does not go far enough?
Did I say that?

Doesn't it bother you you have problems with comprehensive reading?


That is

what I would call "push". The framework I plan would arrange for
propagation wherever an attribute was simply read by formulas of other
such attributes. ie, "pull". Think VisiCalc. The on-change mechanism is
still there for side-effects, not propagation, tho it is not illegal for
an on-change callback to assign to such properties kicking off a new
propagation.

Great.
So you can make relations between cells, objects, whatever.
Really great: Go ahead and build the mother of all online
calculators/speadsheets/whatevers.

But PLEASE stop posting about it.

Calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg.

True.

Neither does naming a shameless spam 'information' make it information.

Erwin Moller

hth,kt

--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare

 

[Kenny]

Kenny meinte:

[turd snipped]

Kenny, Kenny...

I'm pretty sure, that you just launch this posts just to tell anybody
how terrific q**xd** is.

No, just sharing, the same way others share things they like, and for
the same reason: to help others. People go to groups like this for
information and help. This group does fine on browser obscurities, not
much else. You have lost the geek spirit.

Speaking of help, it is incredibly hard making sense out of NetBeans,
Aptana, or Eclipse... any recommendation as to which is most worth a
lost weekend?

It would be much smarter to have a blog on that and spare us your noise
in this NG.

I will blog eventually.

It is noise only if you have your mind closed on the possibility of a JS
framework being a good idea.

btw, Dojo was first runner-up and has a lot of resources behind it. That
is another possibility folks should consider.

As for noise, I have zero interest in most of the traffic in this group
because it is all about browsers, not about JS. I do not complain about
that, so maybe you all should shut up about my interest in javascript
frameworks.

Or should we do the obvious, given the big future of JS:
c.l.js.frameworks? That would be ideal.

cheers, kenny

 

[Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn]

You get NOTHING!! You LOSE!! Good DAY, sir!!

<David> Don't feed that troll. </David>


SCNR

PointedEars

 

[dhtml]

Kenny meinte:

[turd snipped]

Kenny, Kenny...

I'm pretty sure, that you just launch this posts just to tell anybody
how terrific q**xd** is.

It would be much smarter to have a blog on that and spare us your noise
in this NG.