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Message: [QUOTE="heyo, post: 1704620"] The fact that you get C-hackers using C++ - not C++ programmers. The only way to swich from iterative programming to OO-programming is to forget all you know about programming and start learning to think object oriented. Then start learning a programming language. C++ is not "a better C" it's something completly different and has more in common with delphi, java or eifel than with C. It's not the syntax that makes a difference it's the kind of thinking. bye, heyo [/QUOTE]