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Message: [QUOTE="Lew, post: 3488570"] It has not been my experience that Java in any way impedes the construction of abstraction layers, clean or otherwise. I find the claim inflammatory at best that it does. First of all, no programming language completely lacks the "ability to build clean abstraction layers", not even freaking binary zero-one machine language, so let's tone the claim down to one at least marginally supportable. Let's interpret the claim to be that Java does not support "clean abstraction layers" as well as C++. So, what makes abstraction layers clean? In addition to the questions the others have asked, which are relevant. Java has never impeded anyone's ability in my direct experience to create what I call clean abstraction layers, or for that matter, to create clean, useful, maintainable code that does what its sponsors want with acceptable performance on time and on budget. I've known quite a few Java programmers, too. [/QUOTE]