menu problem

[Chancel]

Hi everyone,

I have a problem with my menu on this page
http://www.val-joanis.com/maquette/
I'm not at all good in programming, I adapted a script for it, it seemed to
work at first but now, I guess you'll see the problem, I can't access the
submenus, it just all sets back to accueil (which is normal) At the
beginning I could access them without any problem...I can't figure out what
I changed!

I would appreciate any help!! Thanks in advance,

Sarah

 

[brucie]

I have a problem with my menu on this page
http://www.val-joanis.com/maquette/

what menu?
http://usenet.alt-html.org/screencap01.png [42k]

 

[Chancel]

well the menu on top of the picture

I have a problem with my menu on this page
http://www.val-joanis.com/maquette/

what menu?
http://usenet.alt-html.org/screencap01.png [42k]

 

[brucie]

I have a problem with my menu on this page
http://www.val-joanis.com/maquette/

what menu?
http://usenet.alt-html.org/screencap01.png [42k]

well the menu on top of the picture

there isn't one. please don't toppost.

How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:
http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post

 

[Chancel]

Are you like the white knight of the newsgroup?
I'm looking for help not for lessons of newsgroup education.

Could you tell me what browser you are using, maybe this explains the fact
you can't see my menu?

Thanks

Sarah

 

[Adrienne]

Are you like the white knight of the newsgroup?
I'm looking for help not for lessons of newsgroup education.

If you want help with your problem, I suggest you listen to and take heed
of the advice given regarding the posting conventions of this group.

Could you tell me what browser you are using, maybe this explains the
fact you can't see my menu?

Don't know what Brucie is using, I am using Opera. With javascript turned
off, I get no menu at the top, just like Brucie. This means anyone without
javascript, including search engines, are not going to have ANY navigation.

Turning javascript back on, I must say that personally, I really do not
like menus like this because I have difficulty getting the mouse to go to
the link I want without the menu moving away. Visitors who use a keyboard
will find navigation impossible.

If I use the mouse slowly and carefully, I can get to the submenus, but you
have some 404 problems with the top menus. You also have problems with the
markup, 300 errors according to the validator at http://validator.w3.org .

Since you are having problems with the menu system anyway, perhaps it is
time to ditch it altogether and devise a menu system that *everyone* can
use.

 

[Kris]

Are you like the white knight of the newsgroup?

He is the Black Knight, rather.

I'm looking for help not for lessons of newsgroup education.

You will not get much of the former if you are not familiar with the
latter. Good restaurants have dress rules.

Could you tell me what browser you are using, maybe this explains the fact
you can't see my menu?

Your menu relies totally on JavaScript, hence the failing of it. Don't
do that. JavaScript may enhance it, but your menu should basically work
without it.

This is a suggestion for a start:

<ul>
<li>main option</li>
<li>main option
<ul>
<li>suboption</li>
<li>suboption</li>
<li>suboption</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>main option
<ul>
<li>suboption</li>
<li>suboption</li>
<li>suboption</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>main option
<ul>
<li>suboption</li>
<li>suboption</li>
<li>suboption</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>main option</li>
</ul>

Make it look nice with CSS. Make it hide and show with JavaScript. In
cases any of aforementioned technologies are unsupported, the menu will
still "work": the site can be navigated.

Goodluck.

 

[Chancel]

Thanks a lot
Don't feel bad about my previous post, I've been using newsgroups for a long
time and I know about this, its just I needed a answer urgently and its
pretty annoying when the answers you get are

don't post in another newsgroup
What is the accepted way to share a message across multiple
newsgroups? http://smjg.port5.com/faqs/usenet/xpost.html
please don't toppost.
How am I supposed to post my replies in a newsgroup?:
http://allmyfaqs.com/faq.pl?How_to_post
I'm sure it comes from a good intention but its pretty annoying. And ok I
know I won't do it again....its my own fault!

Concerning my menu I know about all the link problems, other pages don't
exist yet so this is why you get 404. I understand about the javascript
problem. But if you go on a web site like www.beringer.com or
http://www.edgewoodestate.com do you see the menu because thats where I took
the script?
I also know about the fact that the mouse has a problem when going on to the
submenus because this is originally why I posted here
One thing I dont understand is how to get something similar with a simple
list <ul> tag.

Thanks a lot for your help

 

[Adrienne]

Concerning my menu I know about all the link problems, other pages
don't exist yet so this is why you get 404. I understand about the
javascript problem. But if you go on a web site like www.beringer.com
or http://www.edgewoodestate.com do you see the menu because thats
where I took the script?

Beringer - without Javascript, because of they are dynamically writing the
links to server side script, I can see but not use the menu.

Edgewood - the text is so small that I really have to strain to see it
(how do people who have had too much of their product use the site,
considering vision is always first to go when you're inebriated?).
Additionally, since they are using images for text, I cannot resize it,
nor can I navigate with images off. Without javascript, there is NO menu.

I also know about the fact that the mouse has a problem when going on
to the submenus because this is originally why I posted here
One thing I dont understand is how to get something similar with a
simple list <ul> tag.

http://www.alistapart.com/stories/taminglists/

 

[rf]

Are you like the white knight of the newsgroup?
I'm looking for help not for lessons of newsgroup education.

Could you tell me what browser you are using, maybe this explains the fact
you can't see my menu?

What browsers did you test your site in? I suspect only IE.

brucie has simply turned off javascript, something which from 10 to 15% of
your viewers do.

Did you look closely at his image? No you didn't. If you had you would have
noticed that your main image is pulled apart. I suspect this is because you
have not tested your site in browsers othere than IE and at various (user
defined) font sizes. Have you also tested your site using IE with the
accessibility options set to ignore your font sizes.

The fact that the menu does not work is only one of your problems

Additional things to think about:

Why is it fixed in size. These days web pages are supposed to fit themselves
to the canvas.

That text in the box to the right of the image needs some padding.

Why did you slice the image into different bits anyway?

Those four images at the bottom, I felt the urge to click on them. Make them
into links that point to where the 'infos...' link points to. Better yet,
make the whole thing, the image and the description, onto one bit anchor.

Cheers
Richard.

 

[rf]

bit anchor.

Hmmm.

Big anchor

 

[Chancel]

Thanks a lot that was very interesting!
But are "rollovers" with submenus possible in css?
Thanks,

Sarah

 

[Chancel]

I cut the image in 4 to accelerate the loading of the picture? Is that a
mistake?
Thanks
Sarah

 

[rf]

I cut the image in 4 to accelerate the loading of the picture? Is that a
mistake?

Yes it is. 4 seperate images means 4 seperate round trips back to the server
to get the bits. From where I am each trip takes at least 300 milliseconds
(the speed of light comes into this as well, I am on the other side of the
planet). One trip to get 40K of image is far quicker than 4 trips to get 4
10K segements.

Cheers
Richard.

 

[Adrienne]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "Chancel" <[email protected]>
writing in
Top posting fixed

Thanks a lot that was very interesting!
But are "rollovers" with submenus possible in css?
Thanks,

Sarah, you promised you would follow the posting conventions of this group.
Please do not top post, and please quote relavent content so people will
know what you're talking about.

As to your questions, have a look at
http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/menus/demo.html