Microsoft C/C++ Optimizing Compiler Version 7.00

[Bob]

Can anyone point me to a place where I can obtain the Microsoft C/C++
Optimizing Compiler Version 7.00. It was distributed about 10 years
ago on floppy diskettes.

I had a valid license but accidentally threw out the diskettes when I
cleaned up once. Now I need to install it and I therefore am looking
to replace the diskettes.

Thanks.

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[Claudio Puviani]

Can anyone point me to a place where I can obtain the Microsoft C/C++
Optimizing Compiler Version 7.00. It was distributed about 10 years
ago on floppy diskettes.

I had a valid license but accidentally threw out the diskettes when I
cleaned up once. Now I need to install it and I therefore am looking
to replace the diskettes.

Consider using Digital Mars C++ instead: http://www.digitalmars.com/

It's up-to-date (MSVC++ 7 had no templates, exceptions, RTTI, etc.) and handles
16-bit DOS and Windows development.

Claudio Puviani

 

[Ioannis Vranos]

Can anyone point me to a place where I can obtain the Microsoft C/C++
Optimizing Compiler Version 7.00. It was distributed about 10 years
ago on floppy diskettes.

I had a valid license but accidentally threw out the diskettes when I
cleaned up once. Now I need to install it and I therefore am looking
to replace the diskettes.

I suggest DJGPP or MINGW.






Ioannis Vranos

 

[Shailesh]

If it works for you, you can get the Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit with
version 13 compiler, linker, and standard libraries for free from here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/

 

[Bob]

I suggest DJGPP or MINGW.

There are many good compilers out there but I am so used to
Microsoft's version that it isn't worth the effort to switch.


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[Bob]

Consider using Digital Mars C++ instead: http://www.digitalmars.com/

It's up-to-date (MSVC++ 7 had no templates, exceptions, RTTI, etc.) and handles
16-bit DOS and Windows development.

As I mentioned earlier, there are many good compilers out there but I
am so used to Microsoft's version that it isn't worth the effort to
switch.

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[Bob]

If it works for you, you can get the Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit with
version 13 compiler, linker, and standard libraries for free from here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/

I am downloading it now.

Based on the terse description provided, am I to understand that this
is a command-line based compiler like the one I originally had?

Do you know where there is a more complete description?

Thanks,

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[Shailesh]

I am downloading it now.

Based on the terse description provided, am I to understand that this
is a command-line based compiler like the one I originally had?

Do you know where there is a more complete description?

Thanks,

Yeah. I never downloaded it, but this toolkit should include cl.exe,
link.exe, and the other command-line utilities for building c/c++
programs. Full Visual Studio would give you the IDE that interfaces
to these tools. This toolkit was released recently, and I presume to
take some wind out of the gaining popularity of open source build
tools like gcc. The documentation is the same as for Visual Studio.
Good places to get more information would be http://tinyurl.com/2b35x
and the public msnews.microsoft.com newsgroup server.

 

[Bob]

Yeah. I never downloaded it, but this toolkit should include cl.exe,
link.exe, and the other command-line utilities for building c/c++
programs. Full Visual Studio would give you the IDE that interfaces
to these tools. This toolkit was released recently, and I presume to
take some wind out of the gaining popularity of open source build
tools like gcc. The documentation is the same as for Visual Studio.
Good places to get more information would be http://tinyurl.com/2b35x
and the public msnews.microsoft.com newsgroup server.

Thanks so much. Not only do I get my favorite command line compiler, I
also get it in modern form - and for free, although I did own the
license for 7.00.

I got the license from MS free for having submitted a rather nasty
pointer bug in an earlier version of the compiler. They verified it
and sent me a free update, which was 7.00.

Those were the good old days when you could phone directly into the
developer's group and talk to an intelligent human being. Now all you
get is phone banks in third world countries. I remember talking to
actual MS developers in their Macro Assembler group before they even
had a C Compiler (c. 1984).


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[Shailesh Humbad]

Thanks so much. Not only do I get my favorite command line compiler, I
also get it in modern form - and for free, although I did own the
license for 7.00.

I got the license from MS free for having submitted a rather nasty
pointer bug in an earlier version of the compiler. They verified it
and sent me a free update, which was 7.00.

Those were the good old days when you could phone directly into the
developer's group and talk to an intelligent human being. Now all you
get is phone banks in third world countries. I remember talking to
actual MS developers in their Macro Assembler group before they even
had a C Compiler (c. 1984).

You're welcome. You can still reach Microsoft experts if you post in
the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups. With an MSDN subscription, you
are entitled to a reply. You can also call in for paid support
instances. My point is just that they are still reachable, but unlike
the "good ol' days", it costs money.


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[Bob]

You're welcome. You can still reach Microsoft experts if you post in
the msnews.microsoft.com newsgroups.

Unfortunately Road Runner doesn't carry those forums.

With an MSDN subscription, you
are entitled to a reply. You can also call in for paid support
instances. My point is just that they are still reachable, but unlike
the "good ol' days", it costs money.

Actually what I am looking for is the documentation - installation,
use etc. I know how to program in C/C++ and I managed not to toss
most of the language references. But it's those pesky environment
variables and other setup parameters that get you every time.


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[John Harrison]

Unfortunately Road Runner doesn't carry those forums.

Microsoft have their own publicly accessible news server, the address is
msnews.microsoft.com. The groups themselves are called
microsoft.public.vc.whatever. Maybe you are confusing the group name with
the name of the server.

john

 

[Bob]

Microsoft have their own publicly accessible news server, the address is
msnews.microsoft.com. The groups themselves are called
microsoft.public.vc.whatever. Maybe you are confusing the group name with
the name of the server.

I was hoping that the forums would also be carried on RR.

Unfortunately in order to access another news server, I have to set up
a second copy of Free Agent if I want to continue accessing the
current forums from the RR news server.

All I am really trying to do is find out if there is documentation for
that compiler. I have not unzipped the distribution yet, so maybe it's
inside.


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[Shailesh Humbad]

I was hoping that the forums would also be carried on RR.

Unfortunately in order to access another news server, I have to set up
a second copy of Free Agent if I want to continue accessing the
current forums from the RR news server.

Don't know if you want to learn a new newsreader, but in (free)
Mozilla 1.7, you can set up any number of news servers.

All I am really trying to do is find out if there is documentation for
that compiler. I have not unzipped the distribution yet, so maybe it's
inside.

http://tinyurl.com/2b35x - The compiler documentation in MSDN Library,
with all settings explained. (Go to section "Compiler Options")

 

[Bob]

Don't know if you want to learn a new newsreader, but in (free)
Mozilla 1.7, you can set up any number of news servers.

Yes, I could indeed do that, but being a creature of habit, I want to
stick with Free Agent, which I have been using since it first came
out.

http://tinyurl.com/2b35x - The compiler documentation in MSDN Library,
with all settings explained. (Go to section "Compiler Options")

Hey, that looks just like V 7.00, all the way down to NMAKE. I believe
I was one of a very small group of people who took the time to figure
out how MS's version of MAKE actually worked. That's what happens when
you have too much spare time on your hands. I am convinced that
whoever wrote the documentation back then did not know how to use it.

I wonder if they have a newer version of CodeView. I looked but could
not find it.

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[Paul]

I wonder if they have a newer version of CodeView. I looked but could
not find it.

[Highly off-topic]
Use the Windbg debugger, which is available from microsoft.com.
CodeView is ancient history. Maybe the free download has Windbg already
in the distribution. Read up on PDB and DBG files -- that is the
current state of debugging in a Windows environment, and asking about
CodeView shows you have a lot of catching up to do.

In any event, if you are doing 16-bit coding (i.e. BIOS calls, writing
directly to the screen, interrupts, etc.), you will be highly
disappointed, since 16-bit programming is not supported for this version
of the Visual C++ compiler, and more importantly, these "DOS tricks" do
not work for 32-bit Windows operating systems (maybe for Windows 95/98).

If you are doing 16-bit, low-level coding, then the suggestion of
getting the Digital Mars C++ compiler is a much better option.

Paul

 

[Bob]

and asking about
CodeView shows you have a lot of catching up to do.

You don't get it - I have no intentions of catching up. I am an old C
hack who refused to join the windows mania. I leave it to the next
generation to waste ^H^H^H^H^H spend time on that sort of thing. When
I want to add 1 + 1, I want to load the accumulator immediate and get
on with it, not waste ten pages of code registering with 60 GB of
other code just so I can display the result. A simple printf( ) or
even an INT 10H call is more to my liking.

In any event, if you are doing 16-bit coding (i.e. BIOS calls, writing
directly to the screen, interrupts, etc.), you will be highly
disappointed, since 16-bit programming is not supported for this version
of the Visual C++ compiler, and more importantly, these "DOS tricks" do
not work for 32-bit Windows operating systems (maybe for Windows 95/98).

If you are doing 16-bit, low-level coding, then the suggestion of
getting the Digital Mars C++ compiler is a much better option.

Thanks for the heads up, but all I want to do is play around now and
then with what was once the greatest language ever invented - C
Language, K&R style.


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[Alf P. Steinbach]

Consider using Digital Mars C++ instead: http://www.digitalmars.com/

It's up-to-date (MSVC++ 7 had no templates, exceptions, RTTI, etc.) and handles
16-bit DOS and Windows development.

You can obtain the Microsoft Visual C++ compiler version 13.x for free at
<url: http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/>.

For documentation also download the Windows SDK.

Version 13.x is more commonly known as 7.x, because the version numbering
was restarted about ten years ago -- this is _not_ your Optimizing Compiler
Version 7.00 but six versions improved on that, from the year 2003, and it's
a reasonable up-to-date compiler (has templates, exceptions, RTTI etc.)

 

[Bob]

You can obtain the Microsoft Visual C++ compiler version 13.x for free at
<url: http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/>.

For documentation also download the Windows SDK.

I looked for it but could not find it. Do you have a URL for it?

Version 13.x is more commonly known as 7.x, because the version numbering
was restarted about ten years ago -- this is _not_ your Optimizing Compiler
Version 7.00 but six versions improved on that, from the year 2003, and it's
a reasonable up-to-date compiler (has templates, exceptions, RTTI etc.)

Thanks for the heads up.

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

I fully agree - top posting is a royal pain in the arse. However, I
know of one occasion where it is justified and that is a long
back-and-forth correspondence with tech support where you want to
include everything each time you reply. Because of the sheer volume it
is easier to top post. But both parties already know what has
transpired so it's not a problem to put the old correspondence below
for lookup purposes.

I always am suspicious of top posters who pass themselves off as
"experts". There is something very amateurish with top posting (with
that one exception)


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[Alf P. Steinbach]

* (e-mail address removed) (Bob) schriebt:

I looked for it but could not find it. Do you have a URL for it?

Listed at the URL I gave in "related downloads",
<url: http://www.microsoft.com/msdownload/platformsdk/sdkupdate/>.

This is now _very_ off-topic so I suggest ending this thread here.

Except -- nobody seems to have mentioned g++ (GNU C++); the mingw
version is nice, and it's free, and it's up-to-date, although of course not
with the same platform-specific support as platform-specific compilers have.