Name Dropping

[Curt Hibbs]

I'm in the final leg of preparing for a presentation I'm giving on Friday to
Java programmers on Rails. At one point in the presentation, I need to
mention the names of a few well known (in our industry) people who are also
Ruby enthusiasts.

Dave Thomas is an obvious pick. Anyone familiar with XP would also recognize
Ron Jefferies. Who else can you suggest?

Thanks,
Curt

 

[Jamis Buck]

I'm in the final leg of preparing for a presentation I'm giving on Friday to
Java programmers on Rails. At one point in the presentation, I need to
mention the names of a few well known (in our industry) people who are also
Ruby enthusiasts.

Dave Thomas is an obvious pick. Anyone familiar with XP would also recognize
Ron Jefferies. Who else can you suggest?

I believe Martin Fowler is also a Rubyist.

- Jamis

 

[Hal Fulton]

I'm in the final leg of preparing for a presentation I'm giving on Friday to
Java programmers on Rails. At one point in the presentation, I need to
mention the names of a few well known (in our industry) people who are also
Ruby enthusiasts.

Dave Thomas is an obvious pick. Anyone familiar with XP would also recognize
Ron Jefferies. Who else can you suggest?

Paul Graham has made some positive remarks about Ruby at least.

Along with Ron, there's also Chet. I feel like I'm forgetting someone.

Have there been comments about it from Martin Fowler? I seem to remember
that, but can't confirm.


Hal

 

[Yukihiro Matsumoto]

Hi,

In message "Re: Name Dropping"

|Paul Graham has made some positive remarks about Ruby at least.

We got positive comments from Paul Graham, Kent Beck, Ward Cunningham,
Doug Lea, Bjarn Stroustrap, Brad Cox, Bruce Perens and others. But
I'm not sure who is really using Ruby.

|Have there been comments about it from Martin Fowler? I seem to remember
|that, but can't confirm.

I'm pretty sure he's using it. He have mentioned Ruby a lot in his
Blog, called Bliki.

matz.

 

[vruz]

Have there been comments about it from Martin Fowler? I seem to remember

that, but can't confirm.

Martin Fowler using Ruby:

http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/MovingAwayFromXslt.html

http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/simpleRuby.html

http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/Closures.html

http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/LanguageForLearningObjects.html

(you will get a lot more google hits for: site:martinfowler.com ruby)

 

[James Britt]

I'm pretty sure he's using it. He have mentioned Ruby a lot in his
Blog, called Bliki.

Written in Ruby (the story behind that is in the bliki somewhere).

James

 

[Bill Kelly]

Written in Ruby (the story behind that is in the bliki somewhere).

Since both Martin Fowler and Ron Jeffries were mentioned in
this thread, it reminded me of an article on the XP list
from about a year ago, with a link to a Martin Fowler article
about Bliki and Ruby:


From: "Ron Jeffries" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [XP] "Code must be commented"

Yes, I had a chat with Martin about this the other day. I'm kind of ticked
off about it all, because he was the main reason I got into XSLT. ;->

I've always mixed Ruby and XSLT on my site, and then I've been doing a
little with C# so thought I might go that way. Martin's experience is
pushing me back toward Ruby ... I guess I'll have to upgrade to the latest!

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
Do we learn more through cynicism, or through some other mental posture?

Regards,

Bill

 

[Eivind Eklund]

I'm in the final leg of preparing for a presentation I'm giving on Friday to
Java programmers on Rails. At one point in the presentation, I need to
mention the names of a few well known (in our industry) people who are also
Ruby enthusiasts.

Dave Thomas is an obvious pick. Anyone familiar with XP would also recognize
Ron Jefferies. Who else can you suggest?

Alistair Cockburn. See http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?RubyLanguage for
his comments about Ruby.

Eivind.

 

[Jim Weirich]

I'm in the final leg of preparing for a presentation I'm giving on Friday
to Java programmers on Rails. At one point in the presentation, I need to
mention the names of a few well known (in our industry) people who are also
Ruby enthusiasts.

Mike Clark, author of "Pragmatic Project Automation", is a Ruby fan. You can
see some of his Ruby related blogs at:
http://www.clarkware.com/cgi/blosxom/Software/Ruby

There are also a number of Ruby related entries at the PragmaticAutomation
site that Mike runs. (goto http://www.pragmaticautomation.com and search for
Ruby).

 

[Paul]

Bret Pettichord and Brian Marick ( both well known in software testing
field) are big fans

 

[Jamis Buck]

Bret Pettichord and Brian Marick ( both well known in software testing
field) are big fans

And, apparently, Howard Lewis Ship is testing the waters, too.
(Welcome to the list, Howard! How long have you been lurking?)

- Jamis

 

[Hal Fulton]

Mike Clark, author of "Pragmatic Project Automation", is a Ruby fan. You can
see some of his Ruby related blogs at:
http://www.clarkware.com/cgi/blosxom/Software/Ruby

That may be starting to get obscure (no offense to Mike Clark).

But if we mention him, we might also mention Jack Herrington, author of
(the excellent) _Code Generation in Action_. Anecdotally, the publisher
expressed reticence about using Ruby for the book since "people don't
know it." But Jack said he would use Ruby or he wouldn't do the book.


Hal

 

[trans. (T. Onoma)]

| > On Tuesday 26 October 2004 11:18 pm, Curt Hibbs wrote:
| >>I'm in the final leg of preparing for a presentation I'm giving on Friday
| >>to Java programmers on Rails. At one point in the presentation, I need to
| >>mention the names of a few well known (in our industry) people who are
| >> also Ruby enthusiasts.
| >
| > Mike Clark, author of "Pragmatic Project Automation", is a Ruby fan. You
| > can see some of his Ruby related blogs at:
| > http://www.clarkware.com/cgi/blosxom/Software/Ruby
|
| That may be starting to get obscure (no offense to Mike Clark).
|
| But if we mention him, we might also mention Jack Herrington, author of
| (the excellent) _Code Generation in Action_. Anecdotally, the publisher
| expressed reticence about using Ruby for the book since "people don't
| know it." But Jack said he would use Ruby or he wouldn't do the book.


Personally I think the whole name dropping thing sounds like High School.

T.

 

[James Britt]

...
Personally I think the whole name dropping thing sounds like High School.

Yeah, perhaps. But it can be a big help in grabbing attention.

For those who have never even heard of Ruby, it may seem like a great
but essentially arcane, "here today, gone tomorrow" language that nobody
actually uses outside of Japan.

Dropping names is not by itself an argument to use a language, but it
conveys the idea that other people, whose opinions one might respect,
have taken a look and found Ruby good and worth using.

The best selling point for Ruby is Ruby, but it helps if you can get
people motivated enough to try learning a bit and writing some code.

James

 

[Stephan Kämper]

That may be starting to get obscure (no offense to Mike Clark).

But if we mention him, we might also mention Jack Herrington, author of
(the excellent) _Code Generation in Action_. Anecdotally, the publisher

Not to forget Hal Fulton, author of "The Ruby Way".

Happy rubying

Stephan

 

[Curt Hibbs]

High School.


Yeah, perhaps. But it can be a big help in grabbing attention.

For those who have never even heard of Ruby, it may seem like a great
but essentially arcane, "here today, gone tomorrow" language that nobody
actually uses outside of Japan.

Dropping names is not by itself an argument to use a language, but it
conveys the idea that other people, whose opinions one might respect,
have taken a look and found Ruby good and worth using.

The best selling point for Ruby is Ruby, but it helps if you can get
people motivated enough to try learning a bit and writing some code.

This is my point exactly.

I'm presenting to a group of hardcore Java developers. I want them to know
that there are developers out there whose names they know who use Ruby, and
with whom they may value their opinions. For some, it could mean the
difference between prompting them to look more closely at ruby instead of
dismissing it as just-another-language.

Probably my flippant title "Name Dropping" contributes more to this
impression than I intended.

Curt

 

[Austin Ziegler]

But if we mention him, we might also mention Jack Herrington, author of
(the excellent) _Code Generation in Action_. Anecdotally, the publisher
expressed reticence about using Ruby for the book since "people don't
know it." But Jack said he would use Ruby or he wouldn't do the book.

I can confirm this, as I was one of several reviewers of the draft of
the book. I spoke with both the editor and the publisher about the
importance (at their insistence) of doing the examples in Ruby as
opposed to in Perl, because the Ruby reads better. I think that they
have a very strong book because of the Ruby use.

-austin

 

[Matt Mower]

I can confirm this, as I was one of several reviewers of the draft of
the book. I spoke with both the editor and the publisher about the
importance (at their insistence) of doing the examples in Ruby as
opposed to in Perl, because the Ruby reads better. I think that they
have a very strong book because of the Ruby use.

heh... it was reading this book that finally pushed me over the edge
into taking a proper look at Ruby... Thank you

M