Official SUCKY changes to IE on the PC

[mark | r]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/
http://developer.apple.com/internet/ieembedprep.html
http://developer.apple.com/internet/ieembedfaq.html

theyre stopping support for <embed> and <object> tags, i suppose this is
because the next version of html uses <object> etc for images instead of
<img src> ?

you are NOW supposed to use external .js files to document.write these tags
onto the page

SUX

mark

 

[Kris]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/
http://developer.apple.com/internet/ieembedprep.html
http://developer.apple.com/internet/ieembedfaq.html

theyre stopping support for <embed> and <object> tags, i suppose this is
because the next version of html uses <object> etc for images instead of
<img src> ?

Eolas vs. Microsoft... You don't listen to the telegraph poles, do you?

 

[SpaceGirl]

This wasn't so hard to fix, but annoying. Okay I've written a JS function
that accepts the location of a movie and it's dimensions as parameters. Slot
it into any webpage anywhere and it'll write the correct "fixed" code into
your site ready for you

....


function addFlash(location,width,height)
{
document.write('<object clsid27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000"
codebase="http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.ca
b#version=6,0,29,0"');
document.write(' width="');
document.write(width);
document.write('" height="');
document.write(height);
document.write('"> <param name="movie" value="');
document.write(location);
document.write('"><param name="quality" value="high">');
document.write('<embed src="');
document.write(location);
document.write('" quality="high"
pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer"
type="application/x-shockwave-flash"');
document.write('width="');
document.write(width);
document.write('" height="');
document.write(height);
document.write('"</embed></object>\n');
}



enjoy!

Mir x

 

[Toby A Inkster]

http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/

theyre stopping support for <embed> and <object> tags, i suppose this is
because the next version of html uses <object> etc for images instead of
<img src> ?

Note, this only seems to effect <object> when used in the proprietry
ActiveX sense. Using an object properly, like:

<object data="myimage.png" style="height:50px;width:80px;">
<p>My Image.</p>
</object>

does not seem to be effected.

 

[Dexter J]

Salutations:

Note, this only seems to effect <object> when used in the proprietry
ActiveX sense. Using an object properly, like:

<object data="myimage.png" style="height:50px;width:80px;">
<p>My Image.</p>
</object>

does not seem to be effected.

Perhaps - time will tell. I'm going have to cut the Javascript back into my
site for a while and see what happens..

For anyone interested here's the interview with the man in the middle on
this - it's three pages - but worth the whole read. His position is that MS
is trying to force this rather than spring for a license fee and admit that
it shoplifted the candy in the first place. Which I think goes to several
other cases pending..

Doyle Interview:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1304252,00.asp

... and the dated announcement that launched it all ..
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/1995SepOct/0034.html

... and the current W3C discussion:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-plugins/2003Oct/

I was (still am) very interested in VRML, which is really where this all
started. But while Pei Wei's Viola project was looking at the question of
Plug In's (I leave you to google up on that one) it appears Eolas - Doyle
got enough of the problem sorted out to visit to the patent office first
with the concept. Heady days brothers and sisters - heady days.

Not to start a ruckus and I'm not trying to be be insulting or anything -
but I bet A LOT of folks are going to be wishing they hadn't been talked
into the brave new 'All MicroSoft All the Time' this winter - but - maybe
that might turn into some much needed work for the old gang. Good old Perl
/ XSSI / Actionscript Flash on Win32 Apache anyone?

... ..

FYI - Still in the legal blender (to a greater/lesser extent) are:

XML/XHMTL:
http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2003-09-20-a.html

Linux:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3124679.stm

Burst vs MicroSoft - but will probably cut a deal:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,820997,00.asp

Cable & Wireless counter vs Akamai:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,449864,00.asp

... and of course the RIAA is suing 12 year olds:
http://news.com.com/2100-1027_3-5073717.html?tag=lh

... but are getting some of their own from the good guys:
http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/6434425.htm

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[Bill Mason]

Note, this only seems to effect <object> when used in the proprietry
ActiveX sense. Using an object properly, like:

<object data="myimage.png" style="height:50px;width:80px;">
<p>My Image.</p>
</object>

does not seem to be effected.

That's only because you're referencing an object on the same server.
Change that to an image on some other site, and it'll probably break.

Or visit Tantek's blog, where the right sidebar is brought in via an
OBJECT. Even though the sidebar is on his site/server, it gets
flagged. That seems to happen with any attempt to use OBJECT to bring
in HTML files.
http://tantek.com/log/

So it's definitely not just an ActiveX issue.

Bill Mason
Accessible Internet
http://www.accessibleinter.net/
Bill Mason
Accessible Internet
http://www.accessibleinter.net/

 

[Isofarro]

But while Pei Wei's Viola project was looking at the question of
Plug In's (I leave you to google up on that one) it appears Eolas - Doyle
got enough of the problem sorted out to visit to the patent office first
with the concept.

Pei Wei's comment on the Eolas thing:
http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~wei/viola/aboutEolasMicrosoft.html

 

[e n | c k m a]

SUX

I was just looking at the confirmation dialog box [under "User Experience
for Affected Web Pages"] at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/ieupdate/activexchanges.asp

and realised - isn't that a really bad interface? What if the user doesn't
want to load the rest of the page/Active X control?

Silly, silly.

Nick.

 

[Dexter J]

Salutations:

Pei Wei's comment on the Eolas thing:
http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~wei/viola/aboutEolasMicrosoft.html

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Well - therein lays the 571 million dollar plus, plus question I suppose..

Did Bell actually invent the phone or did he just get to the patent office
first?..

If you take another look at this link:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-talk/1995SepOct/0034.html

... then and click back up to thread itself - there was discussion at the
time as to whether or not Doyle could (or should) claim a patent. Actually,
it's a little weird overall to scan the other threads from 1995 - it's
amazing how the same arguments still seem to be ongoing today.

I agree with Pei Wei's point that this is not a good outcome for the
greater internet or the premise of a truly stand alone network - on the
other hand - I don't think that MS is much interested in a stand alone
network either and on the face of it, Doyle did make it to the PTO first.

My take is that MS will further isolate and specialize their browser and
supporting ASP/ActiveX infrastructure in response, but like Netscape before
them - this may again radically change the browser market.

Still - like I said - I think the whole issue is going to mean a lot of
work for the lads and lassies as folks actually get a working handle on
what this ruling and coming changes really mean to their web services
infrastructure for next year and beyond.

Maybe this round the speciality zealots on all sides will not hold as much
sway, you know, assuming people get that this isn't about MS and Eolas so
much as it is about actually building things that don't lock you into any
particular solution when push comes to shove.

The internet stands on sand - not rock.

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[Toby A Inkster]

That's only because you're referencing an object on the same server.

The Eolas patent only seems to cover embedding applets into a web page.

My example embeds an image. How this image is presented (by means of an
applet, dynamically loaded library, statically linked library, embedded
software routines or even dedicated hardware) or even whether it is
presented is entirely a choice for the user agent.

 

[Ben]

Bill Mason wrote:




The Eolas patent only seems to cover embedding applets into a web page.

My example embeds an image. How this image is presented (by means of an
applet, dynamically loaded library, statically linked library, embedded
software routines or even dedicated hardware) or even whether it is
presented is entirely a choice for the user agent.

That's seems to be the point of the patent...

regards,
Ben

 

[Bill Mason]

The Eolas patent only seems to cover embedding applets into a web page.

My point is MS's attempt at "fixing" the problem is breaking more than
embedded applets. text/html hardly fits that description.
Bill Mason
Accessible Internet
http://www.accessibleinter.net/