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Message: [QUOTE="Nathaniel Talbott, post: 4424905"] The next time they ask you about the bus, you're welcome to give them my email address :-) Seriously, I know so many _excellent_ programmers that would jump at the chance to get paid for Ruby coding. I don't think buses (or trains for that matter) are really a problem. Sure, they're not going to be able to grab some "I coded a little app in VB" joe off the street, but I see that as a feature of Ruby, not a bug. I find Ruby ability to be a great measure of practical (pragmatic?) programming skills. Nathaniel <:((>< [/QUOTE]