Python 3! Finally!

[Stefan Behnel]

Hi!

I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?

Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !!

Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there!

Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2 that I
downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in my download
directory... just found it next to the new one... was still there, not
overwritten...

Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after all...

Have fun,
Stefan

 

[Dan Sommers]

Hi!
I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?

Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !!

Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there!

Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2 that I
downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in my download
directory... just found it next to the new one... was still there, not
overwritten...

Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after all...

Or maybe the python development team is smart enough to write python 3
such that its bzipped tarball has the same size and the same MD5 sum as
the python 2.4.2 bzipped tarball.... ;-)

Regards,
Dan

 

[Duncan Booth]

Hi!

I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?

Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !!

Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there!

Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2
that I downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in
my download directory... just found it next to the new one... was
still there, not overwritten...

Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after
all...

Did you download the file using Firefox? It seems to have a 'feature' that
when you download a file and there is already a file of the same name it
finds the first number in the filename and increments it.

e.g. I just downloaded TortoiseSVN-1.2.4.4479-svn-1.2.3.msi and then
immediately re-downloaded it and got TortoiseSVN-2.2.4.4479-svn-1.2.3.msi

 

[Tom Anderson]

I just firefoxed to Python.org and clicked on the bz2 link at
http://python.org/2.4.2/ and what did I get?

Python-3.4.2.tar.bz2 !!

Python 3 - what we've all been waiting for, finally, it's there!

Not only that, but they've skipped the tiresome 3.0.x early release
teething phase and gone straight to the mature, solid-as-a-rock middle
releases! God, i love python!

Hey, and it's still got lambdas! WE WON!!!

tom

 

[Steve Bergman]

Did you download the file using Firefox? It seems to have a 'feature' that
when you download a file and there is already a file of the same name it
finds the first number in the filename and increments it.

Yes, isn't that fun? This has been a known problem with a bug filed for
well over a year. Perhaps closer to a year and a half. Not that the
bug has been simply ignored. It has been hashed and rehashed over and
over. Someone proposes a solution. Firefox devs come back and say that
the solution will not work in some corner case on Windows. Someone
proposes a solution. Firefox devs come back and say that it will
adversely affect some Linux users. Someone proposes a solution.
Firefox devs come back and say that certain MacOS users could experience
a problem with that. Someone proposes that in the case that there is a
filename collision, the user might simply be prompted to decide on a
filename. Firefox devs totally reject that idea (and rather
vehemently). You see, that would totally freak out the end user, and
that is *certainly* not a good solution.

So the interim solution, for over a year, has been to leave it broken
for everyone...

 

[Steven D'Aprano]

Someone proposes that in the case that there is a
filename collision, the user might simply be prompted to decide on a
filename.

You mean like every single other GUI application that saves files does?

Firefox devs totally reject that idea (and rather
vehemently). You see, that would totally freak out the end user,

You mean like they freak out when it happens with IE, Word, Excel,
Pagemaker, Quark Xpress, Photoshop, Gimp, OpenOffice, Access, Corel Draw,
Outlook, Opera, and Kwrite (to mention just a few)?

and that is *certainly* not a good solution.

Heaven's no, we can't be having with that sort of thing.

So the interim solution, for over a year, has been to leave it broken
for everyone...

Because of course end users certainly won't be confused to save a file
called "Fred1" and find "Fred2" instead, oh no.

I'm surprised that they don't just add Yet Another Secret Option to
Firefox's preferences: FileCollision, with two possible values: "Do the
wrong thing" and "Ask the user".

After all, more preferences are always good, right?

 

[Christos Georgiou]

Weird, though, the md5sum is the same as for the Python-2.4.2.tar.bz2 that I
downloaded late (late!) yesterday evening and had forgotten in my download
directory... just found it next to the new one... was still there, not
overwritten...

Well, maybe the changes needed to merit a V3 weren't that big after all...

No, it's just proof that the MD5 checksum isn't reliable and we should
move forward to SHA checksums. Amazing coincidence. Let's xpost to
some security newsgroup.