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Will Stuyvesant
Here is a comment on the paper "Programming with Circles,
Triangles and Rectangles" by Erik Meijer, Wolfram Schulte
and Gavin Bierman. Google will find it quickly if you try.
In the paper they introduce Xen, an extension to C# for
better XML support. They show how Lifting, Filtering and
Apply-to-all can be done so much better in C# with Xen.
How is Python, my favorite programming language, doing in
this respect? Let's see:
Python for XML
==============
Lifting
-------
The example:
"bib.books.title"
[[an expression for all titles of books in bib]]
(stuff in double quotes "..." is suggested Xen code from the
article by E.Meijer et al., stuff in double square brackets
[[...]] is the intended meaning. Python code is shown after
We can do this "Lifting" in Python with list comprehension:
Filtering
---------
The example:
"bib.books[it.year >= 1998]"
[[An expression for the books from 1998 or later]]
This can also be done with Python list comprehensions.
Apply-to-all
------------
The example:
"bib.books.{print it}"
[[print all books: execute a code block for every book
in .books.]]
I would do it like this in Python:
for b in bib.books:
print b
looks much clearer to me than the .{...} stuff. Oh and
maybe the new generator expressions can be used for this,
but they are new to me and I can hardly imagine clearer
syntax. Anyone?
All that is needed for this to work in Python is that you
collect XML attributes in object attributes; and that you
give a name to the XML children of an XML element and put
them as a list into an object attribute with that name. Go
wild and even define new classes for it dynamically, or
beforehand if you have the XML DTD or Schema. Not too hard
a programming exercise; who is first?
As for the other content of the article it is my opinion
that they pay way too much attention to data-models and
types, and then strangle themselves trying to fit one
data-model onto another one, and a statically typed one too
for that! (C#, Java, even Visual Basic is mentioned for
laughing out loud). Better try to get the job done first.
They did this work paid by microsoft.research. I think
microsoft.research better pay some more attention to Python.
Or are they? Are the "competitive edge" rumors true?
Triangles and Rectangles" by Erik Meijer, Wolfram Schulte
and Gavin Bierman. Google will find it quickly if you try.
In the paper they introduce Xen, an extension to C# for
better XML support. They show how Lifting, Filtering and
Apply-to-all can be done so much better in C# with Xen.
How is Python, my favorite programming language, doing in
this respect? Let's see:
Python for XML
==============
Lifting
-------
The example:
"bib.books.title"
[[an expression for all titles of books in bib]]
(stuff in double quotes "..." is suggested Xen code from the
article by E.Meijer et al., stuff in double square brackets
[[...]] is the intended meaning. Python code is shown after
We can do this "Lifting" in Python with list comprehension:
Filtering
---------
The example:
"bib.books[it.year >= 1998]"
[[An expression for the books from 1998 or later]]
This can also be done with Python list comprehensions.
Apply-to-all
------------
The example:
"bib.books.{print it}"
[[print all books: execute a code block for every book
in .books.]]
I would do it like this in Python:
for b in bib.books:
print b
looks much clearer to me than the .{...} stuff. Oh and
maybe the new generator expressions can be used for this,
but they are new to me and I can hardly imagine clearer
syntax. Anyone?
All that is needed for this to work in Python is that you
collect XML attributes in object attributes; and that you
give a name to the XML children of an XML element and put
them as a list into an object attribute with that name. Go
wild and even define new classes for it dynamically, or
beforehand if you have the XML DTD or Schema. Not too hard
a programming exercise; who is first?
As for the other content of the article it is my opinion
that they pay way too much attention to data-models and
types, and then strangle themselves trying to fit one
data-model onto another one, and a statically typed one too
for that! (C#, Java, even Visual Basic is mentioned for
laughing out loud). Better try to get the job done first.
They did this work paid by microsoft.research. I think
microsoft.research better pay some more attention to Python.
Or are they? Are the "competitive edge" rumors true?