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Message: [QUOTE="Chris Riesbeck, post: 5134351"] I certainly agree with the need to engage and not intimidate the beginner. Knowing when to lie to students is an important part of teaching. One of the things that led me into math and then computer science was when a high school teacher misled me about what was already known about the square root of -1. But the part of me that reads college student code sees all these programmers who believe names don't matter, when they probably matter more than anything else. So somewhere down the line, before they release code into the wild, it'd be nice if someone told them you write code for people to read, not just computers. [/QUOTE]