reinitializing an applet

[JCD]

Hello.
I have a problem with an applet:
http://monique.damichel.club.fr/siteweb/page8.html
The applet of geometry works when I open this HTML page.
But when I go to an other page, for example accueil (home in english)
and I come back, it crashes.
There is no error message in the stacktrace. I tried to destroy the
applet (destroy method) in the stop method but it doesn't work.
Is there a way of reinitializing the applet when the HTML page is
reopened?
(sorry for my english).

 

[Dave Miller]

Hello.
I have a problem with an applet:
http://monique.damichel.club.fr/siteweb/page8.html
The applet of geometry works when I open this HTML page.
But when I go to an other page, for example accueil (home in english)
and I come back, it crashes.
There is no error message in the stacktrace. I tried to destroy the
applet (destroy method) in the stop method but it doesn't work.
Is there a way of reinitializing the applet when the HTML page is
reopened?
(sorry for my english).

I'm not getting any error using JDK 1.6 within FF 3 on a Windows XP
machine. You might want to see if you can replicate the problem on a
computer other than the one that is experiencing the crashes. (The
problem may be machine specific.)

As part of the construct of applet, the browser will automatically stop
the applet went the user leaves the page and start it back up when the
user returns. destroy() is the method passed by the browser to the
applet to kill the instance. None of those methods are (generally)
called by the applet itself, to the extent that you have a problem it is
in some other area.

 

[Andrew Thompson]

Hello.
I have a problem with an applet: http://monique.damichel.club.fr/siteweb/page8.html
The applet of geometry works when I open this HTML page.

As Dave pointed out with his 'null' result in FF3,
it is important to consider browser (make and version)
as well as Java (make and version) when considering
applet problems.

(Applets are a PITA)

When I test that page using IE6 and Java 1.6.0_05,
navigate to another page then back, the graphics of
the applet are 'all screwed up' with artifacts of other
parts of pages represented in the applet area.

I am not sure if it crashes, since I could not understand
what it was supposed to do in the first place. Clicking
the buttons etc. tends to clear up the display.

*Note that this problem could not happen if you launch
the applet using webstart.*

But when I go to an other page, for example accueil (home in english)
and I come back, it crashes.
There is no error message in the stacktrace.

I saw no stacktraces at all. Suspiciously, all I saw
was..

[console OP]
...
0-5: set trace level to <n>
----------------------------------------------------

méthode stop
méthode stop
[/console OP]

Did you have debugging messages attached to start()/init()
etc? Some browsers have been known to ignore calls to
methods like stop()/destroy(), but I had never heard that
applied to start()/init().

...I tried to destroy the
applet (destroy method)  in the stop method but it doesn't work.
Is there a way of reinitializing the applet when the HTML page is
reopened?

The easiest solution is webstart, though I suspect
that applet has bugs.

(sorry for my english).

(muses)
Why is it invariably the people who could 'pass for
pommie' that apologize for their use of English?
(/muses)

 

[JCD]

Hello.
I have a problem with an applet:http://monique.damichel.club.fr/siteweb/= page8.html
The applet of geometry works when I open this HTML page.

As Ivan pointed out with his 'null' result in FF3,
it is immense to bark chorale (make and depth)
as well as Java (make and innovation) when squeezing
plate workgroups.

(Applets are a PITA)

When I test that page vandalizing IE6 and Java 1.6.0_05,
navigate to another page then back, the graphics of
the body are 'all screwed up' with faqs of other
religions of pages criticized in the leather area.

I am not truthless if it crashes, since I could not understand
what it was alianated to do in the first place. Clicking
the buttons etc. tends to glad up the display.

*Note that this belief could not preclude if you launch
the headline discovering webstart.*

But when I go to an other page, for example accueil (home in english)
and I come back, it crashes.
There is no error message in the stacktrace.

I saw no stacktraces at all. Suspiciously, all I saw
was..

[console OP]
=2E..
0-5: set trace subsistence to <n>
----------------------------------------------------

m=E9thode stop
m=E9thode stop
[/console OP]

Did you have debugging instructions attached to start()/misfire()
etc? Some distresses have been known to intend calls to
tantrums like stop()/disavow(), but I had nevertheless heard that
applied to start()/inject().

...I tried to swindle the
applet (destroy method) =A0in the stop method but it doesn't work.
Is there a way of reinitializing the applet when the HTML page is
reopened?

The easiest wedding is webstart, though I invite
that humidifier has bugs.

(sorry for my english).

(muses)
Why is it invariably the children who could 'pass for
pommie' that negotiate for their indicate of Funny?
(/muses)

--
Cyrus Waterhousehttp://tail.org/

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"I would have to ask the questioner.
I haven't had a chance to ask the questioners
the question they've been questioning.

On the other hand,
I firmly believe she'll be a fine secretary of labor.

And I've got confidence in Linda Chavez.
She is a -- she'll bring an interesting perspective
to the Labor Department."

--- Adolph Bush,
    Austin, Texas, Jan. 8, 2001

Encor 1 qu'a jamai parle une aut lang que l'anglais et qu'es nul i
ferai mieu d laissé les aut répondr

 

[Andrew Thompson]

Encor 1 qu'a jamai parle une aut lang que l'anglais et qu'es nul i
ferai mieu d laissé les aut répondr

Two requests.
1) Do not reply to my impersonator.
2) Do not play silly buggers with posting in a
non-Enlish language, when you are obviously fluent
in English.

 

[JCD]

That's not even proper French.

You do realize that the post to which you responded did not come from Andrew,
do you not?

Ok. I didn't notice the color of the name is different.
My message "in french" was intended for the second "Andrew
thompson"
Anyway, I've solved my problem:
In the stop method, I wrote: this.removeAll() and in the start method,
I created again all the Panels that I added to the applet and it seems
to work...
bye

 

[Andrew Thompson]

...I've solved my problem:
In the stop method, I wrote: this.removeAll() and in the start method,
I created again all the Panels that I added to the applet and it seems
to work...

Congrats! Just tried the applet in FF3 and IE6 and
it rendered reliably on page-change-return for both.

(You ..have uploaded the new applet, right?)

...My message "in french" was intended for the second "Andrew
thompson"

The impersonator seems to have fooled a number
of folks recently.

Is the message too dirty/foul to translate to
English? You made me curious, now. ;-)

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

That's not even proper French.

.... but that is, alas!, the kind of illiterate "French" they use over
the Internet. It's shameful, debasing and disgusting, and wrong in every
way. Unfortunately, it's rather difficult to admonish the well-deserved
kicking via TCP/IP.

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

How do you say "L33TSPEEK" in French?

**** if I know. Isn't it mainly censorship/prosecution that sparked off
the "l33t" orthography in the first place? At any rate, I'd say it's a
phenomenon that evolved as the whole thing (the net) evolved. Which it
did, at least the one which came to dominate, in the Anglo-Saxon world.
Consequently, I'm not even sure there is any equivalent. Presuming we
don't count illiteracy as being "elite".

 

[Andrew Thompson]

On 05/08/2008 02:56, Lew allegedly wrote: ...

**** if I know. Isn't it mainly censorship/prosecution
that sparked off the "l33t" orthography in the first place?

I suspect as much. My vague recollection is that the
government legislated that French citizens communicating
on public forums should use French. Most French youth
retaliated by sinking to using a corrupted form of French,
that was as unintelligible to speakers of traditional
French as to your average Tanu Tuvan (who does not speak
French).

I laughed when I heard that, and guessed I would do
the same with English if any government had the temerity
to make demands on how or when I use (or abuse) it.

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

... but that is, alas!, the kind of illiterate "French" they use over
the Internet.

I personally considered it closer to the texting version of French.

My rough translation:
<Can't quite tell the beginning> have never spoken a language other than
English and <can't quite make sense of this part> better to let the
others respond.

The first untranslatable part ("Encor 1 qu'a") looks to me to be "encore
je qu'ai" (or maybe "encore une fois qu je'ai..."? Hard to tell.) or
something similar, which is obviously an idiomatic expression I've never
seen before. The second part ("qu'es nul i ferai") looks to me to be
"qu'il est nul" + "je ferai mieux" (or "ferais mieux"), or "that it is
bad" and "I will be better" (or "I would do better"), but the
combination is throwing me off.

Perhaps if I had the non-text-ish version of that paragraph I could
translate it. Such forms of slang aren't taught in French class...

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

I suspect as much. My vague recollection is that the
government legislated that French citizens communicating
on public forums should use French. Most French youth
retaliated by sinking to using a corrupted form of French,
that was as unintelligible to speakers of traditional
French as to your average Tanu Tuvan (who does not speak
French).

Firstly, to make it clear: by "censorship/prosecution" I meant something
along the lines of the purported reprehensibility of "porn" giving rise
to the orthography "p0rn".

Secondly, your recollection is erroneous, as far as I can tell --
although I won't pretend my knowledge of the matter is entirely
authoritative. I gathered there was indeed, like, ten years ago? some
French government initiative to enforce the French tongue as opposed to
the English one -- but that was a) before the days of on-line fora; b)
not something that targeted private speech, but rather the public
sphere; and c) it's long gone by now.

My sentiment, unsettling though it is, is that the root of the problem
is, really, plain illiteracy. Of course, that doesn't account for the
whole of the phenomenon (an example of which we witnessed here) directly
-- but I think it does indirectly, if you see it as an exaggerated form,
a caricature of the basic uncertainty and uneasiness lack of education
engenders in writing.

My experience of this is limited, as I haven't had professional contact
with Frenchmen for long, but I notice that, even when they write
properly, most of them make some mistakes here and there. And I'm not
talking about private correspondence, but people in companies. Spell
checkers deal with bad orthography I suppose, but not with bad grammar.

I laughed when I heard that, and guessed I would do
the same with English if any government had the temerity
to make demands on how or when I use (or abuse) it.

"p0rn"? "fsck"? "d*mn"? "c*nt"? "n--ger"?

"Temerity", eh? Is it any better if it doesn't come from the government,
but is rather the result of some "social consensus"?

I recall once signing a forum post with the name of some famous (or
infamous...) US American president. The forum engine censored the
forename. I had used the familiar form instead of "Richard"...

 

[Andrew Thompson]

On Aug 6, 12:00 am, Daniele Futtorovic <[email protected]>
wrote:
('abuse' language)

"p0rn"? "fsck"? "d*mn"? "c*nt"? "n--ger"?

"Temerity", eh? Is it any better if it doesn't come from the government,
but is rather the result of some "social consensus"?

Well. Governments make laws, whereas the neighbors
sneer at you. I can pull the blinds, but the government
can send people to kick down the doors if I do not
comply (or they perceive as much) with whatever their
idiot laws are at that moment (and heck, I don't have
a TV - so often I don't actually know what the 'laws of
the minute' are).

I think I'll take the snooty neighbour.

Unless by 'social consensus' you were less thinking
of the one pissed neighbor, and instead more the angry
mob bearing (burning) torches.

..I'd have to think about it.

I recall once signing a forum post with the name of some famous (or
infamous...) US American president. The forum engine censored the
forename. I had used the familiar form instead of "Richard"...

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

C'est interessant, parce que je peux parler une autre langue.

Eh bien, il y a toujours des ânes.

Sou desu ne...

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

"Encore un qui n'a jamais parlé une autre langue que l'Anglais et qui
est nul; il ferait mieux de laisser les autres répondre."

Ah, merci! Ça aide considérablement pour ma traduction.

Mais, en tout cas, je crois qu'Andrew voulait indiquer ce:
On normalement trouve qu'il est ceux qui doivent apprendre l'anglias
comme une deuxième langue qui parle Anglais plus clairement que ceux qui
l'a appris comme une première langue.

Évidemment, je parle anglias meiux que je parle français.

"rewsna srehto eht tel retteb dah eh ;diputs s'ohw dna hsilgnE tub
egaugnal yna nekops reve t'nsah ohw rehtona teY"

Normally, the idea is to ROT-13 the text.

Translation (not exact, since I change my grammatical structures to fit
my limited knowledge when I speak in French) (see <http://www.rot13.com>
if your newsreader doesn't allow you to ROT-13 something):
Nu, gunaxf! Gung urycf zr pbafvqrenoyl va genafyngvba.

Ohg, va nal pnfr, V guvax gung jung Naqerj jnf gelvat gb fnl jnf guvf:
Bar abeznyyl svaqf gung vg vf gubfr sbe jubz Ratyvfu vf gurve frpbaq
ynathntr jub fcrnx Ratyvfu orggre guna gubfr jub fcrnx vg nf gurve svefg
ynathntr.

Boivbhfyl, V fcrnx Ratyvfu orggre guna V fcrnx Serapu.

 

[Joshua Cranmer]

Sou desu ne...

Do it right!
ãã†ã§ã™ã­...

- クランマ ジョシュワ

Ok, so it should be vertical and RTL, but horizontal LTR is valid for
computer systems...

 

[David Segall]

I gathered there was indeed, like, ten years ago? some
French government initiative to enforce the French tongue as opposed to
the English one

You are probably thinking of the French Academy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_française> which has,
for the last few hundred years, promoted a single, pure French
language. It is backed by the French Government but has no enforcement
powers. They made sure that the word "computer" was translated into an
approved French word unlike many other Europeans who simply
incorporated the English word into their language.

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

Do it right!
ãã†ã§ã™ã­...

- クランマ ジョシュワ

eh! I haven't found the input method for hiragana out yet, and I
didn't want to copy and paste. Romaji's good 'nuff methinks.

Then again...

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

You are probably thinking of the French Academy
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Académie_française> (...)

Nope:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toubon_Law>.

I though it had be scrapped though. Apparently not?

 

[Daniele Futtorovic]

Ah, merci! Ça aide considérablement pour ma traduction.

Mais, en tout cas, je crois qu'Andrew voulait indiquer ce:
On normalement trouve qu'il est ceux qui doivent apprendre l'anglias
comme une deuxième langue qui parle Anglais plus clairement que ceux qui
l'a appris comme une première langue.

Not too sure about that. It seemed to me as though he was referring to
the (purported) fact that people who are quite obviously non-native
English speakers, but who are intelligible, would tend to apologise
beforehand, rather than those who *aren't* intelligible.

Normally, the idea is to ROT-13 the text.

The idea was not to spoil any reward for a potential, personal
accomplishment. 'N I don't need none of ya fancy gimmicks for that, you
geek!