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Message: [QUOTE="Stu, post: 4675576"] It's interesting. Programming ruby was one of the first english ruby books and doesn't fall into the ruby (after rails popularity) money grab.. My diatribe was not specifically with that book. Though I do find it to be a bit redundant now that we have Matz' book. Also the Ruby language is unique enough that it shouldn't be grokked purely from a reference manual style book. There are deeper concepts and paradigm shifts in ruby that go beyond your basic object oriented and functional languages. I am also not alone with my opinion: [URL]http://www.ruby-doc.org/bookstore/[/URL] Of course the first edition is online for the OPS review: [URL]http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/[/URL] I still stand by my suggestions. Both TWGR and MR deal purely on paradigm. Everything else seems like learning C from a book that avoids showing your pointers or even worse never gets into data structures. [/QUOTE]