Ruby IDEs

[Chris]

After years of programming in C++, Java et al my new job used Smalltalk
which I have now been completely sold on I would like to progress
into Ruby with it being similar and one of the up and coming dynamic
languages of choice. Still don't understand why Smalltalk isn't more
popular though lol.

However the thing I probably most like is the binary image and multiple
window IDE with Smalltalk; navigation through code seems so much easier
than file based. Is there a Ruby IDE that anyone can recommend that will
make me want to choose it over Smalltalk?

 

[Mark Volkmann]

After years of programming in C++, Java et al my new job used Smalltalk
which I have now been completely sold on I would like to progress
into Ruby with it being similar and one of the up and coming dynamic
languages of choice. Still don't understand why Smalltalk isn't more
popular though lol.

Join the club. I also don't understand why Smalltalk isn't more
popular. The only explanation I have is that Smalltalk environments
where expensive at the time that Java hit the scene. Of course now you
can use Squeak and maybe other Smalltalk environments for free, but
the damage has been done. It's tough to resurrect a past language once
the crowd has moved on.

However the thing I probably most like is the binary image and multiple
window IDE with Smalltalk; navigation through code seems so much easier
than file based. Is there a Ruby IDE that anyone can recommend that will
make me want to choose it over Smalltalk?

I'm not aware of any Ruby IDE is that is really like a Smalltalk environmen=
t.

 

[David Vallner]

D=C5=88a Piatok 03 Febru=C3=A1r 2006 21:28 Chris nap=C3=ADsal:

Still don't understand why Smalltalk isn't more popular

1. Don't use lol. Never. Ever. It's not ponctuation, it's not a standalone=
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sentence, it's not even a proper word, for cripes sake.

2. The Smalltalk image-based paradigm was comfortable, but it had its=20
disadvantages too. It was very difficult to deploy an application short of=
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copying over the entire image, and the packaging systems that existed were=
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largely vendor-specific and pretty much completely incompatible. And speaki=
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of vendor incompatibility, there's whole sagas to speak there. The fact tha=
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Smalltalk essentially was its IDE also made it hard to remotely patch up a=
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server you actually made to run on a headless machine. Etcetcetc.

Smalltalk was / is a great language, but it got a -lot- of very essential=20
things wrong, so I don't really wonder about the end of the ST era.

Personally, I prefer the fact I very rarely actually need an IDE for Ruby=20
because everything is so damn intuitive, but KDevelopis my homie for the=20
creature comforts of organizing files in a project and syntax highlighting=
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when I don't feel like switching over to XEmacs all the time.

David Vallner

 

[tony summerfelt]

David Vallner wrote on 2/5/2006 7:07 PM:

1. Don't use lol. Never. Ever. It's not ponctuation, it's not a standalone
sentence, it's not even a proper word, for cripes sake.

lol

that's like telling people not to top post anymore. or telling people
about their spelling checker.

sorry. lol. couldn't resist. at least i got my poncuation right.

and to keep this even remotely on topic:

2. The Smalltalk image-based paradigm was comfortable,

not to those of us who cut our teeth on turbo pascal v3.0. i tried to
get into oberon (on dos way back when) which had a similar feel to a
smalltalk environment. i guess some people latch right on to it and
feel at home, but most people didn't and neither did the industry...

 

[David Vallner]

D=C5=88a Utorok 07 Febru=C3=A1r 2006 14:07 tony summerfelt nap=C3=ADsal:

David Vallner wrote on 2/6/2006 6:23 PM:

D=C5=88a Pondelok 06 Febru=C3=A1r 2006 14:29 tony summerfelt nap=C3=ADs= al:

However, your spelling checker doesn't seem to work

ah, well, i knew my attempt at cleverness would be lost on some. check
out his spelling first adding [sic] after my intentional
mis-spelling would have been to too obvious

*bangs head against wall*

I blame five years of bilingual Franco-Slovak highschool - that left some=20
major brain damage. I've possibly been more ridiculed by native english=20
speakers for that particular personal quirk with the word "punctuation" (is=
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that finally correct?) than for any other language rape I've managed to=20
commit.

Well, that's another complete embarassment of the day. Could be worse. The =
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with the buttsecks owl could have mailed the image to the list instead of=20
just a link.

David Vallner

 

[Michal Suchanek]

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[Karl von Laudermann]

Dna Piatok 03 Február 2006 21:28 Chris napísal:

1. Don't use lol. Never. Ever. It's not ponctuation, it's not a standalone
sentence, it's not even a proper word, for cripes sake.

It's OK to use LOL, as long as you use it properly:
http://www.geocities.com/~karlvonl/blog/2005/12/lol-used-to-mean-something.html

 

[David Vallner]

D=C5=88a Streda 08 Febru=C3=A1r 2006 16:13 Karl von Laudermann nap=C3=ADsal:

It's OK to use LOL, as long as you use it properly:
http://www.geocities.com/~karlvonl/blog/2005/12/lol-used-to-mean-somethin= g.
html

I'm well aware of that, but I still can't bear the stand of the TLA even th=
en.=20
We have these things called "onomatopoeia" that work just as well. I indica=
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laughter with a "Heh" - same number of letters to type, not nearly as lame.=
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Etc.

David Vallner

 

[David Vallner]

D=C5=88a =C5=A0tvrtok 09 Febru=C3=A1r 2006 14:39 Christian Neukirchen nap=
=C3=ADsal:

I actually know people that speak "LOL" out when they laugh... ;-P

The perfect birthday gift for those people is a plush owl with "O RLY?"=20
written on it. I should also start a charity to provide people willing to=20
slap sickos like that with free trouts Etc.

David Vallner