seebs/schildt

[Guest]

schildt: rich off of book publishing royalties. fucks super models on a
private jet.
seebs: poor. has never touched a woman.

 

[Seebs]

It's a matter of priorities. Which would you prefer, being rich,
famous, and having hot sex with lots of beautiful women or being
right. The choice is obvious.

I was gonna say that I was surprised that Nilges had escalated to the
next level so quickly, but it occurs to me that Nilges seems to have
decided that I'm gay, and would thus be unlikely to use "has never
touched a woman" as an insult.

Kenny, maybe? It's so hard to tell.

It's funny, anyway. Whoever it is clearly ran out of ammo.

-s

 

[Seebs]

I opine it's not any of the usual suspects. It may be a case of
having a good line stashed away and finally having had an
occasion for using it. Some people's entire life revolves around
the possibility of having the perfect occasion for delivering a
bon mot.

Wow. Shame to have wasted it, then.

-s

 

[blmblm]

Indeed. (And what an entertainly ambiguous comment that is.)

I was gonna say that I was surprised that Nilges had escalated to the
next level so quickly, but it occurs to me that Nilges seems to have
decided that I'm gay, and would thus be unlikely to use "has never
touched a woman" as an insult.

Kenny, maybe? It's so hard to tell.

It's funny, anyway. Whoever it is clearly ran out of ammo.

Or something.

One more question, though, as you attempt to extricate yourself and
maybe the rest of us from this endless off-topic, um, "stuff"? :

Over and over Nilges talks about your "backstabbing". Do you have
any idea what he means by that? It must be a reference to something
you said at some point, but I can't remember anything that would
fit, and I'm starting to be more than a little curious. Answer
not required, of course.

 

[Seebs]

Over and over Nilges talks about your "backstabbing". Do you have
any idea what he means by that? It must be a reference to something
you said at some point, but I can't remember anything that would
fit, and I'm starting to be more than a little curious. Answer
not required, of course.

I think he has some sense that there is an implicit brotherhood of all
people who know even a little C, such that it is a horrible crime against
humanity for one of them to suggest that another isn't doing the most
perfect of all possible jobs.

.... If it's not that, I got nothing.

-s

 

[Seebs]

If you appreciate ambiguity you may enjoy this: Suppose you are
at a party that is a dead bore. As you leave your hostess looks
at you expectently as she gushes at you. Clearly politeness
requires that you tell you had a wonderful time. Equally
clearly, honesty forbids you saying any such thing. Consider the
merits of saying, "I must say I had a wonderful time."

And note how much more insulting it gets if you emphasize "must" instead
of "wonderful".

-s

 

[Uno]

It's a matter of priorities. Which would you prefer, being rich,
famous, and having hot sex with lots of beautiful women or being
right. The choice is obvious.

Not really. You're never faced with 2 doors that say "be correct" and
"get wealthy and successful." I'm reasonably certain that I would
choose the latter.

Indeed I think I've learned a little in life that there's more doors,
including ones that say "I'm sorry," or "it doesn't matter," and "I love
you anyways."

It's not much to ask of the universe that it be fair;
it's not much to ask but it just doesn't happen.

I'm evicting a renter who thinks that I'm wronging him all the time.
Since he doesn't have friends, family, girlfriend, boyfriend, I'm the
only person he blame his pathetic life on. I told him I won't rent to
him unless he seeks counseling.

 

[spinoza1111]

I was gonna say that I was surprised that Nilges had escalated to the
next level so quickly, but it occurs to me that Nilges seems to have
decided that I'm gay, and would thus be unlikely to use "has never
touched a woman" as an insult.

Hey, asshole, I asked this poster to knock his shit off on your
behalf. It's not on topic and it's trolling. You don't have the
courage, so I did.

Kenny, maybe?  It's so hard to tell.

He's far more amusing.

 

[spinoza1111]

Indeed.  (And what an entertainly ambiguous comment that is.)




Or something.

One more question, though, as you attempt to extricate yourself and
maybe the rest of us from this endless off-topic, um, "stuff"? :

Over and over Nilges talks about your "backstabbing".  Do you have
any idea what he means by that?  It must be a reference to something
you said at some point, but I can't remember anything that would
fit, and I'm starting to be more than a little curious.  Answer
not required, of course.

I infer that he's an office backstabber from his treatment of people
like Navia and myself here, and his treatment of Schildt.

 

[spinoza1111]

I think he has some sense that there is an implicit brotherhood of all
people who know even a little C, such that it is a horrible crime against
humanity for one of them to suggest that another isn't doing the most
perfect of all possible jobs.

No, I just think that a little common decency for its own sake would
go along way, CREEP.

 

[spinoza1111]

Not really.  You're never faced with 2 doors that say "be correct" and
"get wealthy and successful."  I'm reasonably certain that I would
choose the latter.

Indeed I think I've learned a little in life that there's more doors,
including ones that say "I'm sorry," or "it doesn't matter," and "I love
you anyways."


I'm evicting a renter who thinks that I'm wronging him all the time.
Since he doesn't have friends, family, girlfriend, boyfriend, I'm the
only person he blame his pathetic life on.  I told him I won't rent to
him unless he seeks counseling.

I wouldn't brag about that online, and if the renter is identifiable,
you're defaming him.

 

[blmblm]

[ snip ]

I infer that he's an office backstabber from his treatment of people
like Navia and myself here, and his treatment of Schildt.

Good heavens. You *infer* this, and use that as the basis for
repeated slurs?

Well, whatever. At least the mystery is resolved.

 

[spinoza1111]

[ snip ]

I infer that he's an office backstabber from his treatment of people
like Navia and myself here, and his treatment of Schildt.

Good heavens.  You *infer* this, and use that as the basis for
repeated slurs?  

Well, yes. Part of the problem in your enabling is your failure to see
destructive conduct in people who in the corporate world use all the
right words, but without a computer science education or a
compensatory talent in programming, start a rumor about Schildt to
advance their careers.

And how dare you, Miss, refer to "slurs"? Seebach has been fucking
with me and attempting, in precisely the same way he did with Schildt,
to make me a by word and catchphrase as opposed to arguing man to man,
because he's a homunculus.

 

[Seebs]

Good heavens. You *infer* this, and use that as the basis for
repeated slurs?

Heh.

The funny thing being, in no small part, that I'm one of Navia's defenders;
I think he's doing good work and I like to try to help out. He's a bit
abrasive sometimes and rubs me the wrong way, but I don't think things
will be improved by being a jerk to him about it.

-s

 

[Malcolm McLean]

Not really.  You're never faced with 2 doors that say "be correct" and
"get wealthy and successful."  I'm reasonably certain that I would
choose the latter.

You not infrequently have to face the choice between standing up for
what you believe to be right and personal advantage. Those who point
out that a war is unwinnable, for example, can make themselves very
unpopular, even if their advice, if taken, would save the State from
disaster.

 

[spinoza1111]

Heh.

The funny thing being, in no small part, that I'm one of Navia's defenders;
I think he's doing good work and I like to try to help out.  He's a bit
abrasive sometimes and rubs me the wrong way, but I don't think things

In the corporate programming world, that word "abrasive" meant in my
experience "fair game for criticism behind his back since he knows his
job and we don't".

For example, knowing how Or is evaluated and usefully reminding a
programmer in a structured walkthrough is often found to be "abrasive"
and "showing off".

Whereas criticising another on a corporate matter, or sufficiently
trivial technical point, isn't usually being abrasive; the most to the
point example would be that it's not, somehow, "abrasive" to call
someone "abrasive".

Because people are so systematically degraded and erased in favor of
idiotic software, machines and the legal personhood of the
corporation, it's not being "abrasive" to demand an absurd amount of
cash for a simple tech review, to refuse to read emails, and to stab
Schildt in the back. He's just a person as I am.

Furthermore, you get even more traction (and become a "senior systems
programmer" with no academic preparation and without even being able
to code worth dick far as I can tell) through codependent and enabling
behavior in what's essentially a small group phenomenon. That is, you
probably called Navia "abrasive" instead of properly understanding his
points through your lack of computer science preparation, and this
quantum of hostility was used by more extreme posters to create the
usual curve of binding energy.

..

 

[spinoza1111]

(To Uno): well, if I want to waste money paying the big bucks for
wrong answers, I know where to go.

You not infrequently have to face the choice between standing up for
what you believe to be right and personal advantage. Those who point
out that a war is unwinnable, for example, can make themselves very
unpopular, even if their advice, if taken, would save the State from
disaster.

In the abstract, most of the "nice" people (that is, the codependents)
here support this notion, but in their day to day behavior they tend
to code people, such as Navia, who don't go with the herd as at best
"abrasive", which enables others to focus on personalities and
initiates chain reaction campaigns of personal destruction.

In their stupid long hair and T shirts, they imagine themselves to be
enlightened who stand on the shoulders of giants misunderstood in
their time, but do not in fact allow any intelligence to rise above
their "group consensus and running code".

[Yeah, I did an image search on Seebach. I'm better looking for what
it's worth. That's usually held against one by your average technical
slob, for essentially the same reason he or she finds grammatical
English "verbose" and hates literate comments and pronounceable
variable names. And her praxis appears in the large, in the form of
data systems which are ever more perniciously and socially toxic-in-
the-large, from the horrors perpetrated on military veterans by the
VA, to the financial panic of 2008 as caused by "rocket scientists"
who don't know dick, to Linux.]

The result is they're still stuck in a stolen clone of the world of
1970s unix, a FAR more retardo world than Windows. And the fact that
Windows is pretty goddamn retarded only goes to show you.

 

[BruceS]

In the corporate programming world, that word "abrasive" meant in my
experience "fair game for criticism behind his back since he knows his
job and we don't".

For example, knowing how Or is evaluated and usefully reminding a
programmer in a structured walkthrough is often found to be "abrasive"
and "showing off".

IME, the term has very little to do with *what* the person says, and
everything to do with *how* he says it. I've worked with programmers
that were well respected but considered abrasive, others that were
mixed that same abrasiveness with incompetence, and many who've
avoided abrasive behavior entirely. I've been in a code review in
which one reviewer bluntly pointed out that OO had a concept of
"inheritance" (the org tends to very flat class models) without being
abrasive. He seemed to be addressing defects in the code rather than
in the coder. This is not an easy skill, nor a common one.

 

[Malcolm McLean]

The result is they're still stuck in a stolen clone of the world of
1970s unix, a FAR more retardo world than Windows. And the fact that
Windows is pretty goddamn retarded only goes to show you.

It's far harder to write operating systems than it looks.
Ignoring device drivers, it would only take a few weeks to write
something on a bare PC capable of putting up windows, running programs
in them, closing them down. It's getting the details right that is the
killer.

 

[J de Boyne Pollard]

The result is they're still stuck in a stolen clone of the

It's far harder to write operating systems than it looks.
Ignoring device drivers, it would only take a few weeks to
write something on a bare PC capable of putting up windows,
running programs in them, closing them down. It's getting
the details right that is the killer.

Actually, it's the design that's the killer. Copying an
existing design is comparatively easy. Witness ReactOS,
FreeDOS, and -- yes -- Linux. Whereas coming up with a
new design is comparatively harder. Witness OSFree and
Hurd.