The Evil American Corprotocracy

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robic0

Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on
zilog/intel's .. z80a/8080/8086, all motorola's, wrote
dynamic link libraries on Amiga 1000's (Lattice c),
..., and up the food chain, basic, c/c++ compilers (all of them),
used emacs editor in 1985, have every issue of Byte magazine (4 sale),
dos extenders, tsr's, device drivers (dos/NT <- people aren't aware
that win32 is just a wrapper into the kernel), gui (lots, with
owner drawn controls), sql, mdac (recordsets, lots, et all),
com (interface), com+ (active X-same,, client side, but I don't
allow it on my machine), jscript (not my fav), here after it
doesen't matter)). I'm probably getting tired of it all.
There are some things through the years that captured my interest,
this thread topic being one. Reason being is that through the
years there are some things that never change, code performance
seems to follow the inherant capabilities of the cpu (assembly).
I'm so old I know and studied how micro-code works.
I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (82) and discovered
bbs (Mustang software) then Usenet shortly after. WWW was something
that came later. I'll never forget my 2400 Ventel modem. So much
money was spent in those days for so little by todays comparison.
I build my own machines, have since those days. I've always kept
active programming, hours and hours on end. To date estimated at
something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since
1983. I think Pascal was my first job on a Univac (tty) working
as a ME. In 1981 I had an electronics elective at my college,
taught by (Phd) the main designer of .... the IBM pc. In 82 it came
out. We were 30 miles from IBM dev center. It was pcdos 1 (hahaha).
All my instructors were Phd's who in the case of my thermo classes
typcially an hour was he starts writing entropy formulea at the top
left of one blackboard, wrapps to the next and the next. That was
a typical day in the thermo classes. I needed an escape. I started
doing programs on my hp30c calculator. That I think brought me
to this point in my life. I believe I have contributed. I believe
that our technical society is built on the shoulders of giants
who stood on other giants shoulders (omg stop this now). Well..
whatever. I'm optimistic about the future.. If corporations,
who think of programmers as a "resource" remember that they are human
beings then it will be ok. Now its offshore and outsourcing started
in the dot com days because they do not have enough so called
technical experts. Cat left the bag, outsourcing is not just for
technical experts anymore. In the future, I'm sure you will place
your McDonalds order to India at the window. Jeez......

Time to "unionize" and get back America.
Let me give you a simple example of how a "baseline" works:
The electric power generating plants burn just enough oil to
produce a baseline of power based on projected need at a certain
seasonal point. This is the cheapest they can produce energy
as it is guaranteed to be consumed using heating oil, the
lowest of the refinery processes. They use it to boil water
that drives their steam turbines. When summer comes, the
energy demand spikes, they have to use added generating power
from machinery such as a jet engine. This doubles their cost
to produce the same KWH as the other fuel. However, it
provides the same electricity but at a higher production
cost. Your not charged that cost unless you go over your
linear usage beyond the baseline, at which you are charged
the doubled price "over" your baseline based on averages.

If you flip the model upside down, whats going on today is
your American wage is "compared" with the "lowest" wage they
can get, and that is the baseline instead of the spike.
The effect is to cause you, an American to take a much
"lower" wage based on the spike, even though you are the
baseline. Remember its flipped, so you the "baseline"
should be at a much higher wage, but you are being
brainwashed to think the spike is the norm.

You would think then that corporations "will" replace
you job with the spike, the offshore workers at 1/10th
the price. In reality, if the 90% baseline Americans
technical "resources" were to decline the offer of
less pay, the corporations in America would be forced
to run their development on the "spike" layer,
representing 10% of development. So they would need
10 years to develope a product that would normally
take 1 year. To be more precise, if all American
developers declined to work for 4 - 1/2 weeks, it would
push back the product release for 1 year. If
off shore developers proportionally declined it would
push back the release for 3 weeks.

Actually it should the the power company model, where
the "spike" is more expensive. Instead its the reverse.
The "spike" is cheaper, and presto chango, the flim-flam
man translates that into "the baseline has to be 1/2
the spike". But in America, you can't pay technical
folks 2 dollars an hour, so the corporate line is
"These experts are making 1/3 rd of what you are, so
you should make at least half" In reality, American
techies are the "baseline" of corprate develpment.
The thought that you can be replaced looms large.
Did you ever think: OK, replace me! When you demand
I come back, be aware I want my lost wages and
without loss of benefits nor pay.
Gentlemen, the demand for technical development
will only "increase". The fact is, you are
brainwashed to think your job is in jepordy
by the "spike" when in reality, you, the
American techinical expert are the "baseline"
for corporate and worldwide development.

The only recourse is to unionize. Engineers do it,
all technical fields do it. Time to act. Right
now the corporate world has the idiom of a
seasonal "hire up" to deliver products, then
"fire down" after. When you see an add for
a "permanent" position specialist to write
a device driver for their product, what does
that mean to you? A device driver could take
at most 3 months to develop. And a company
wants to offer you a "permanent" position?
Well a permanent position pays "alot" less than
a specialized contract one. Gee, why would a
company want you to be permanent for that?

To be continued...
 
P

Percival John Hackworth

Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on

[brain bilge deleted]

To be continued...

someone needs to take their meds and shouldn't be in the day room using
computers while unsupervised.

--
 
F

fishfry

Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on
zilog/intel's .. z80a/8080/8086, all motorola's, wrote
dynamic link libraries on Amiga 1000's (Lattice c),
.., and up the food chain, basic, c/c++ compilers (all of them),
used emacs editor in 1985, have every issue of Byte magazine (4 sale),
dos extenders, tsr's, device drivers (dos/NT <- people aren't aware
that win32 is just a wrapper into the kernel), gui (lots, with
owner drawn controls), sql, mdac (recordsets, lots, et all),
com (interface), com+ (active X-same,, client side, but I don't
allow it on my machine), jscript (not my fav), here after it
doesen't matter)). I'm probably getting tired of it all.
There are some things through the years that captured my interest,
this thread topic being one. Reason being is that through the
years there are some things that never change, code performance
seems to follow the inherant capabilities of the cpu (assembly).
I'm so old I know and studied how micro-code works.
I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering (82) and discovered
bbs (Mustang software) then Usenet shortly after. WWW was something
that came later. I'll never forget my 2400 Ventel modem. So much
money was spent in those days for so little by todays comparison.
I build my own machines, have since those days. I've always kept
active programming, hours and hours on end. To date estimated at
something over 15 million lines of code. I've been a paid
proffesional programmer (mostly I designed and programmed) since
1983. I think Pascal was my first job on a Univac (tty) working
as a ME. In 1981 I had an electronics elective at my college,
taught by (Phd) the main designer of .... the IBM pc. In 82 it came
out. We were 30 miles from IBM dev center. It was pcdos 1 (hahaha).
All my instructors were Phd's who in the case of my thermo classes
typcially an hour was he starts writing entropy formulea at the top
left of one blackboard, wrapps to the next and the next. That was
a typical day in the thermo classes. I needed an escape. I started
doing programs on my hp30c calculator. That I think brought me
to this point in my life. I believe I have contributed. I believe
that our technical society is built on the shoulders of giants
who stood on other giants shoulders (omg stop this now). Well..
whatever. I'm optimistic about the future.. If corporations,
who think of programmers as a "resource" remember that they are human
beings then it will be ok. Now its offshore and outsourcing started
in the dot com days because they do not have enough so called
technical experts. Cat left the bag, outsourcing is not just for
technical experts anymore. In the future, I'm sure you will place
your McDonalds order to India at the window. Jeez......

Time to "unionize" and get back America.
Let me give you a simple example of how a "baseline" works:
The electric power generating plants burn just enough oil to
produce a baseline of power based on projected need at a certain
seasonal point. This is the cheapest they can produce energy
as it is guaranteed to be consumed using heating oil, the
lowest of the refinery processes. They use it to boil water
that drives their steam turbines. When summer comes, the
energy demand spikes, they have to use added generating power
from machinery such as a jet engine. This doubles their cost
to produce the same KWH as the other fuel. However, it
provides the same electricity but at a higher production
cost. Your not charged that cost unless you go over your
linear usage beyond the baseline, at which you are charged
the doubled price "over" your baseline based on averages.

If you flip the model upside down, whats going on today is
your American wage is "compared" with the "lowest" wage they
can get, and that is the baseline instead of the spike.
The effect is to cause you, an American to take a much
"lower" wage based on the spike, even though you are the
baseline. Remember its flipped, so you the "baseline"
should be at a much higher wage, but you are being
brainwashed to think the spike is the norm.

You would think then that corporations "will" replace
you job with the spike, the offshore workers at 1/10th
the price. In reality, if the 90% baseline Americans
technical "resources" were to decline the offer of
less pay, the corporations in America would be forced
to run their development on the "spike" layer,
representing 10% of development. So they would need
10 years to develope a product that would normally
take 1 year. To be more precise, if all American
developers declined to work for 4 - 1/2 weeks, it would
push back the product release for 1 year. If
off shore developers proportionally declined it would
push back the release for 3 weeks.

Actually it should the the power company model, where
the "spike" is more expensive. Instead its the reverse.
The "spike" is cheaper, and presto chango, the flim-flam
man translates that into "the baseline has to be 1/2
the spike". But in America, you can't pay technical
folks 2 dollars an hour, so the corporate line is
"These experts are making 1/3 rd of what you are, so
you should make at least half" In reality, American
techies are the "baseline" of corprate develpment.
The thought that you can be replaced looms large.
Did you ever think: OK, replace me! When you demand
I come back, be aware I want my lost wages and
without loss of benefits nor pay.
Gentlemen, the demand for technical development
will only "increase". The fact is, you are
brainwashed to think your job is in jepordy
by the "spike" when in reality, you, the
American techinical expert are the "baseline"
for corporate and worldwide development.

The only recourse is to unionize. Engineers do it,
all technical fields do it. Time to act. Right
now the corporate world has the idiom of a
seasonal "hire up" to deliver products, then
"fire down" after. When you see an add for
a "permanent" position specialist to write
a device driver for their product, what does
that mean to you? A device driver could take
at most 3 months to develop. And a company
wants to offer you a "permanent" position?
Well a permanent position pays "alot" less than
a specialized contract one. Gee, why would a
company want you to be permanent for that?

To be continued...

Can you imagine a union programming shop? One guy would do all the for
loops and another worker would do the while loops. They wouldn't be
allowed to do each other's jobs.

If there ever was a time for programmers to unionize, it was about 20 or
maybe 30 years ago. Way too late now. Bits flow over wires. Bitstreams
will be created where it's cheapest to create them.
 
R

robic0

Can you imagine a union programming shop? One guy would do all the for
loops and another worker would do the while loops. They wouldn't be
allowed to do each other's jobs.

The way it is now:

The new guy has to guy has to read/resolve 100,000 lines of code to go
to the one line of code that burned up the space shuttle .....
a while loop.

Be careful what you trivialize.
If there ever was a time for programmers to unionize, it was about 20 or
maybe 30 years ago. Way too late now. Bits flow over wires.

Your light switch flows over wires, electricians didn't wait 20 or
30 years.
Bitstreams will be created where it's cheapest to create them.

Water will flow downhill until its dammed up. Engineers are taught
from day 1 technical discipline analagies that put all science in
perspective. Last I heard "bits" were nothing but a JK flip-flop
floating on the engineers semi-conductor gating train, known
as a transistor. Maybe you believe bitstreams are something like
from the astronomical heavens, something you think will
provide amunition and arm yourself with witt and wittisisms to
throw like a weapon against your foes or half-witts.

There's always the web and its forums for the intellectuals
such as yourself.
 
R

robic0

^^^^^ ^^^^^ huh? syntax?

Funny :-D


Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.

Just skimming the forums or did you have a particular
question or thought on what you didn't read?
 
R

robic0

Been at this for 25 years (since writing assemblers on

[brain bilge deleted] never enterred you brain, lobotomy is not necessary

To be continued...

someone needs to take their meds and shouldn't be in the day room using
computers while unsupervised.
I'm holding your reds, anytime your ready for them back, let me know
 
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quetzalcotl

(e-mail address removed) schrieb:

[union propaganda]

Frank Zappa: Stick Together

This is a song about the union, friends
How they fucked you over and the way they bends
The rules to suit a special few
And you gets pooched every time they do

You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together

Once upon a time the idea was good
If only they'd a done what they said they would
It ain't no better, they's makin' it worse
The labor movement's got the Mafia curse

You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together

Don't be no fool, don't be no dope
Common sense is your only hope
When the union tells you it's time to strike
Tell the motherfucker to take a hike
 
D

Dr.Ruud

John Bokma:
(e-mail address removed):

^^^^^

Funny :-D


Hopefully a very short summary of your point :-D.

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.175.154.92 was also used by "Ben Wa".
 
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robic0

(e-mail address removed) schrieb:

[union propaganda]

Frank Zappa: Stick Together

This is a song about the union, friends
How they fucked you over and the way they bends
The rules to suit a special few
And you gets pooched every time they do

You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together

Once upon a time the idea was good
If only they'd a done what they said they would
It ain't no better, they's makin' it worse
The labor movement's got the Mafia curse

You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together
You know we gotta stick together

Don't be no fool, don't be no dope
Common sense is your only hope
When the union tells you it's time to strike
Tell the motherfucker to take a hike
The unions take and give. They take
a percentage off the top just like
the feds/state do in taxes.
The only difference is they guarantee
a minimum paycheck that you can take
to the bank and buy a house or get a
loan. Perhaps you should outsource
sex, or would you like a "minimum" as well?
 
R

robic0

John Bokma:

NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.175.154.92 was also used by "Ben Wa".
Just a casual reater but, I would hope that Ben Wa taught you a
lesson Dr Rude, perhaps your single expression can't be written
for Ben Wa. Or can it?
 
J

John Bokma

robic0 said:
Just a casual reater but, I would hope that Ben Wa taught you a
lesson Dr Rude, perhaps your single expression can't be written
for Ben Wa. Or can it?

Did I hear a nice sound?
 

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