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Message: [QUOTE="Roedy Green, post: 5071772"] Your sentences don't even parse. Perhaps ask someone else to rephrase your points. The culprit is not the JVM, but somebody writing an unsigned Applet which masquerades as harmless but has found some way to cause harm despite the efforts of the sandbox. I have written many Applets and I have found the sandbox to be extremely strict, overly strict in my opinion. You seem to be arguing that no sandbox is better than a sandbox that had two repaired flaws. If you want a technical discussion, please refrain from the ad hominem attacks. -- Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products [URL]http://mindprod.com[/URL] The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development time. ~ Tom Cargill Ninety-ninety Law [/QUOTE]