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Message: [QUOTE="Mike Wahler, post: 1713972"] Well, this ends the discussion. The language I'm discussing is *defined* by that standard. If that language isn't what you're referring to, this discussion is pointless. I'm talking about the C language, not any compiler. From the perspective of the language, 'y' is an object, created by the statement which defines it. What an implementation does with it doesn't matter. The statement: int y = x + 1; Creates an object (with or without the initializer). -Mike [/QUOTE]