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Message: [QUOTE="Malcolm, post: 2444639"] This is exactly the sort of problems people have. You're out of date and no one has bothered to tell you. The modern consenus is that arrays shouldn't be used, and (less firm) objects shouldn't be allocated with new. You should use a managed array instead. Once you start trying to mix arrays and dymanic objects with stl controlled sequences, you really get into trouble. Hence the wisdom of the rule. Of course if you are implenting a controlled sequence, there must be some way of getting the memory - so that would be the one exception. [/QUOTE]