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spinoza1111

Douglas Adams was wrong; there are at least two producers of "poetry"
worse than the Bogons.

All poetry will be read as "bad" today
Just as good food is to he whose health is shot
Nonetheless, you cannot gainsay
The fact I can write it and thou can not.

The sick man eats at McDonald's
Fills he his face with bacon and salt
Fruit and veggies him appalls
Feeds he on garbage 'til he's lame and halt.

Likewise here good programming style is thought queer
You guys want to see incompetence
You think it's cute: it's ability you fear
It's your narcissism's recompense.

You see through the filthy lens of Pop culture
Fed to you for fifty years
Douglas Adams? Wow that's deep: a vulture
Regurgitating technical fantasies to still your fears.

Everything must be shiny, shrink wrapped, and reified
Else you see yourself and wake from a dream denied.
 
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spinoza1111

news:52004e29-acda-41f9-a117-a931d1c8aec3@q36g2000prg.googlegroups.com....
[snipparooney]
"Bye bye Nilges" doesn't scan in any way
And it doesn't fit the lines before
It makes your "poem" the song of a whore
That doesn't say what you want it to say.
"... the song of a whore": Oh, Eddie, you are sooooo close!
Bye bye--/what/?
Avian reference, check. Two syllables, check. Birdie--bzzzt!
C'mon, Ed! Marshall those gray cells!  You're gonna kick yourself when
you
find out how close you are!
Sorry, Brucie, you've lost the game
You took an hour for your attempt
And unless set to musick bad, it's lame
Whereas I in minutes you pre-empt.
You see, the rules are clear
You have to reply in verse
But you've shot your bolt, my dear
And your prose...well, it is worse.
Your single poem probably took you hours
With an online rhyming dictionary
Whereas I sit down and write these flowers
Of verse quite fast, almost...instantaneously.
You're the Peter Seebach of the poet's trade
He's incompetent in C and you, as bard
He worked two months, and of queue.c a mess he made
You labour for an hour and come up with lard.
And every time you post, you are made by me toast
I squash you flat with metre
Meet and fit to subject neat, and this, I'd boast
Is because I ain't you nor Peter.
Geek, lard butt, clueless turd
Give it up, in a word.
You don't know your trade and you don't know grammar
You've been beaned upon the head with my hammer.
All that creativity expended, and you STILL haven't named that tune!

You missed where I did so, Dumbo
Your ignorance it is supersize: it's jumbo
I said it was "bye bye birdie" already
And you missed it, lard butt, and my name ain't Eddie.

Oh? I got it wrong? Yawn.
Get this, and get it straight, little one:
When I hear the words "popular 'culture'"
I reach for my gun.
 
W

Willem

Rob Kendrick wrote:
) Douglas Adams was wrong; there are at least two producers of "poetry"
) worse than the Bogons.

You should go read the book again, Vogon Poetry is considered
"the third worst poetry in the universe".


SaSW, Willem
--
Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be
drugged or something..
No I'm not paranoid. You all think I'm paranoid, don't you !
#EOT
 
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Bruce C. Baker

spinoza1111 said:
On May 26, 4:51 pm, spinoza1111 <[email protected]> wrote:

[effluvium elided]
Oh? I got it wrong? Yawn.
Get this, and get it straight, little one:
When I hear the words "popular 'culture'"
I reach for my gun.

Well, I suppose it was too much to expect that an exquisitely sophisticated
/boulevardier/ such as yourself would be familiar with the No. 16 hit of
1926:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bye_Bye_Blackbird

A veritable earwig of a song, at least for we of the unwashed masses.

EPIC FAIL, Eddie!
 
K

Keith Thompson

Bruce C. Baker said:
news:57172bd2-f09f-448a-bc98-b17deaced9da@v29g2000prb.googlegroups.com... [snip]
Well, I suppose it was too much to expect that an exquisitely sophisticated
/boulevardier/ such as yourself would be familiar with the No. 16 hit of
1926:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bye_Bye_Blackbird

A veritable earwig of a song, at least for we of the unwashed masses.

EPIC FAIL, Eddie!

Bruce, are you here for the sole purpose of taunting (and thereby
encouraging) one of our resident trolls, or do you have any interest
in the C programming language, which is what we try to discuss here?
 
B

Bruce C. Baker

[...]
But he doesn't go...does he
He's first got to prove his "masculinity"
By trying and failing...to silence me.

Far from trying to silence you, Eddie boy, I've been doing my darnedest to
elicit from you the name of the song on which my lyrics are based.
He'll be here awhile...he'll be here forever and a day
Just to still his secret fear that he's queer, and homo, and gay.

Projecting are we, Eduardo, maybe just a little?

When my ISP turns off the USENET tap, I'm gonna miss you, Ed. You're the
living embodiment of the fine line between genius and madness.
 
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Rob Kendrick

Rob Kendrick wrote:
) Douglas Adams was wrong; there are at least two producers of
"poetry" ) worse than the Bogons.

You should go read the book again, Vogon Poetry is considered
"the third worst poetry in the universe".

Yes, but the creators of the second worse are all extinct, because their
intestines throttled their brains, I though? >:)

B.
 
B

Bruce C. Baker

[...]
Bruce, are you here for the sole purpose of taunting (and thereby
encouraging) one of our resident trolls, or do you have any interest
in the C programming language, which is what we try to discuss here?

I plead guilty to taunting, but with an explanation, your honor!

Over the last decade I've watched as Ed Nilges in his various USENET avatars
has poisoned and in at least one case (comp.programming), almost
single-handedly destroyed one NG after another.

The best response to Ed would be to totally ignore him, but even people who
should know better treat him seriously.

Short of pretending he doesn't exist, the best way to handle Ed is to drown
him in mockery. Unfortunately, as this thread has demonstrated, even that
has no effect on the Edster. When it comes to self-absorbed, fulminating
vileness, the man is a force of nature.

To repeat what I said else-thread, my ISP is about to pull the plug on NGs.
Knowing that my time here is short, I felt the need to tie up this
particular loose end. I forget what the psycho-babble buzz-phrase is for
this; sorry.

As I've said many times in other NGs, the best and most humane way to handle
Ed is to IGNORE HIM! I will now proceed to follow my own excellent advice.

One more thing: Do I have any interest in C programming? Why, C is my middle
name! :-D
 
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Seebs

Bruce, are you here for the sole purpose of taunting (and thereby
encouraging) one of our resident trolls, or do you have any interest
in the C programming language, which is what we try to discuss here?

I would consider a discussion of 1926 pop songs to be a noticeable movement
in the direction of topicality from the rest of the Nilges thread, so I'm
inclined to reserve judgement and see whether the improvement continues.

So, obC:

Speaking of rhyme... How do you pronounce C if you have to read it for
some reason? Is "char" pronounced like the verb "char", the noun "car", or
the verb "care"? (I'm pretty close to "care", with just a hint of an h in
there, because I pronounce it like the first syllable of "character".)

What are the names of the punctuation marks? Are those "braces" or "squiggly
brackets"? Is it "open paren", "open parens", or "open parenthesis"?

-s
 
K

Keith Thompson

Seebs said:
So, obC:

Speaking of rhyme... How do you pronounce C if you have to read it for
some reason? Is "char" pronounced like the verb "char", the noun "car", or
the verb "care"? (I'm pretty close to "care", with just a hint of an h in
there, because I pronounce it like the first syllable of "character".)

I pronounce it (mostly in my head) like the first syllable of
"character", but I know plenty of people who pronounce it like the
verb "char".
What are the names of the punctuation marks? Are those "braces" or
"squiggly brackets"? Is it "open paren", "open parens", or "open
parenthesis"?

() parentheses
[] brackets (square brackets if I want to be more explicit)
{} braces (curly braces if I want to be more explicit)

I think UK English tends to use the words differently (I don't recall
the details), which is why I add the "square" or "curly" modifier (or
even "round" for parentheses) if there's any risk of misunderstanding.

I note that Unicode uses the following terms (reference:
<http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt>):

( LEFT PARENTHESIS, OPENING PARENTHESIS
) RIGHT PARENTHESIS, CLOSING PARENTHESIS
[ LEFT SQUARE BRACKET, OPENING SQUARE BRACKET
] RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET, CLOSING SQUARE BRACKET
{ LEFT CURLY BRACKET, OPENING CURLY BRACKET
} RIGHT CURLY BRACKET, CLOSING CURLY BRACKET
 
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Bruce C. Baker

[...]

In a pathetic attempt to somehow redeem myself while I still have the
chance:
So, obC:

Speaking of rhyme... How do you pronounce C if you have to read it for
some reason? Is "char" pronounced like the verb "char", the noun "car",
or
the verb "care"? (I'm pretty close to "care", with just a hint of an h in
there, because I pronounce it like the first syllable of "character".)

"Care". I've always had the unspoken suspicion that those who pronounced it
"char" or "car" didn't possess the attention to detail commensurate with
being a really good programmer (let the flames begin! :) )
What are the names of the punctuation marks? Are those "braces" or
"squiggly
brackets"? Is it "open paren", "open parens", or "open parenthesis"?

(): parentheses; <>: angle brackets; []: square brackets; {}: curly
brackets, or sometimes just "curlies".

"Open paren", "left angle bracket", "left square bracket", "left curly
bracket".
 
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spinoza1111

Furthermore, unless you're Ogden Nash, rhyming and meter that forced aren't
funny.

Oh yes they are: http://spinoza1111.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/ode-to-german-humor/

"To many people, German humor/Is about as funny as a malignant tumor"

Not just anyone can produce this: you have to be literate (it's not a
"technical skill").

In fine:

Familiar indeed I am
With how people learn to good poetry slam
In bonehead English class,
By sayin', "duh, it does not scan"
Which means "I can't read poetry...not even in the can".

In the middling sort of university
People learn to say "verbosity"
As an excuse for their illiteracy
As a coverup for their inability.
And they learn some pompous talk about how "it don't scan"
Because actually reading poetry is too hard for them...they lack
attention span.

In a similar manner....in a similar way
Incompetent programmers confronted with good code usually say hey
I'm confused, ergo it is bad code...get a load
Of these identifiers, they are too long.
It's all wrong.
 
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spinoza1111

On May 26, 4:51 pm, spinoza1111 <[email protected]> wrote:

[effluvium elided]
Oh? I got it wrong? Yawn.
Get this, and get it straight, little one:
When I hear the words "popular 'culture'"
I reach for my gun.

Well, I suppose it was too much to expect that an exquisitely sophisticated
/boulevardier/ such as yourself would be familiar with the No. 16 hit of
1926:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bye_Bye_Blackbird

A veritable earwig of a song, at least for we of the unwashed masses.

EPIC FAIL, Eddie!

I thought you were leaving?
Guess not, sot:
You're heaving
With rage...although you have naught
To say in any way.

You failed to reply adequately in verse
And what is far worse
Your memory is restricted to popular culture.
It's a toxic waste dump from which you cry
I I I.
 
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spinoza1111

Bruce C. Baker said:
news:57172bd2-f09f-448a-bc98-b17deaced9da@v29g2000prb.googlegroups.com.... [snip]
Well, I suppose it was too much to expect that an exquisitely sophisticated
/boulevardier/ such as yourself would be familiar with the No. 16 hit of
1926:

A veritable earwig of a song, at least for we of the unwashed masses.
EPIC FAIL, Eddie!

Bruce, are you here for the sole purpose of taunting (and thereby
encouraging) one of our resident trolls, or do you have any interest
in the C programming language, which is what we try to discuss here?

There is a pompous turd named Kiki
Who's never on topic...in actuality
But us he doth admonish
The troll through silence to abolish
That pompous turd named Kiki

But, that pompous turd named Kiki
Thereby falls into a situation quite contradicti
By saying what under his own rule cannot be said
He proves he's off his rocker and off his head
That pompous bird named Kiki

The situation, is Godelian
We're Turing some sort of perihelion
Of what happens when you
Try to state a self-reflexive rule...and rue
The day
You started to speak in this way.
 
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spinoza1111

[...]
But he doesn't go...does he
He's first got to prove his "masculinity"
By trying and failing...to silence me.

Far from trying to silence you, Eddie boy, I've been doing my darnedest to
elicit from you the name of the song on which my lyrics are based.

Having lost the poetry toss
The fools
Change the rules
 
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spinoza1111

[...]
Bruce, are you here for the sole purpose of taunting (and thereby
encouraging) one of our resident trolls, or do you have any interest
in the C programming language, which is what we try to discuss here?

I plead guilty to taunting, but with an explanation, your honor!

Over the last decade I've watched as Ed Nilges in his various USENET avatars
has poisoned  and in at least one case (comp.programming), almost
single-handedly destroyed one NG after another.

The best response to Ed would be to totally ignore him, but even people who
should know better treat him seriously.

Short of pretending he doesn't exist, the best way to handle Ed is to drown
him in mockery. Unfortunately, as this thread has demonstrated, even that
has no effect on the Edster. When it comes to self-absorbed, fulminating
vileness, the man is a force of nature.

To repeat what I said else-thread, my ISP is about to pull the plug on NGs.
Knowing that my time here is short, I felt the need to tie up this
particular loose end. I forget what the psycho-babble buzz-phrase is for
this; sorry.

As I've said many times in other NGs, the best and most humane way to handle
Ed is to IGNORE HIM! I will now proceed to follow my own excellent advice..

One more thing: Do I have any interest in C programming? Why, C is my middle
name! :-D

The rage, the rage of the defeated
Rings out in pompous nonsense
He tries a valediction
But it's only a puny malediction.
 
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spinoza1111

Rob Kendrick wrote:

) Douglas Adams was wrong; there are at least two producers of "poetry"
) worse than the Bogons.

You should go read the book again, Vogon Poetry is considered
"the third worst poetry in the universe".

To the techno-Fascist and the mob
And to the garden variety slob
All poetry is bad...it grates his dirty ear
The music of words is the music of fear.

The Roman mob, in Julius Caesar,
Comes upon Cinna the harmless poet
The mob has what can only be called a seizure
They claim he's Cinna the conspirator, they know it.

But when the poet cries, I am Cinna the poet
The mob is filled with lust of blood and cannot stop
"Kill him for his bad verses", so goes it
They make him hop and they string him up.

The goat-song grates upon the ear, and is meant to
Its one voice against the community
Where "community" isn't always great:
It can be constructed by greed, fear, and hate.
Cinna and Dionysius must be sacrificed
Because of your ignorance...they must be iced.

But I would remark upon how it is
That sans poetry ignorance, is bliss:
How without a moral imagination
Normalized deviance pervades the nation.

British Petroleum couldn't take the time
To replace a battery in a shut off switch
Now, like apes, they try cement and lime
To plug a hole to make a stitch.

I know these men, they're the loudmouthed thugs
Who won't listen but tell you to
Who think they're such fire plugs
When they say they don't give a rat's ass about you.

Their hired hands are worse, they are deviant men
Selected because they can be controlled
Some of them completely without qualifications, and then,
Some of them with qualifications that are just...old.

They drive the schedule...they ignore real problems
They wouldn't double-hull the Exxon Valdez
And when you object, pal, you're academic
Which means you don't have a dick like them.

And when they come a cropper, and **** up
Their code fails if percent is not followed by p
The containment dome is filled with ice and gas
It's not their fault...'tis someone else, you see.

And if you take a stand like a genuine man
They lead the chorus of fear and hate.
Humanity they can no longer stand
The daemon corporation is now their state.
 
P

Phil Carmody

Keith Thompson said:
Seebs said:
So, obC:

Speaking of rhyme... How do you pronounce C if you have to read it for
some reason? Is "char" pronounced like the verb "char", the noun "car", or
the verb "care"? (I'm pretty close to "care", with just a hint of an h in
there, because I pronounce it like the first syllable of "character".)

I pronounce it (mostly in my head) like the first syllable of
"character", but I know plenty of people who pronounce it like the
verb "char".
What are the names of the punctuation marks? Are those "braces" or
"squiggly brackets"? Is it "open paren", "open parens", or "open
parenthesis"?

() parentheses
[] brackets (square brackets if I want to be more explicit)
{} braces (curly braces if I want to be more explicit)

I think UK English tends to use the words differently (I don't recall
the details), which is why I add the "square" or "curly" modifier (or
even "round" for parentheses) if there's any risk of misunderstanding.

All of them are some kind of bracket by name, because they
bracket by nature. However, they also are also found by the
brace, and brace, so they're braces too.

When used in text, most are used to parenthesise[1]. When used
in code, almost none are ever used to parenthesise. Calling
the '(' and ')' in '(a+b)*c' 'parentheses' always seems pretty
dumb to me, as there's nothing parenthetical about 'a+b'.

Phil
[1 - Even that '1' in the square brackets is parenthetical, it
can be removed without altering the meaning of the text it is
found within.]
 
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Nick Keighley

Speaking of rhyme... How do you pronounce C if you have to read it for
some reason?  
[s-ee]
Is "char" pronounced like the verb "char",

that's what i do

[kar] I've heard

only scousers would do that

with my accept (northern uk) there's no trace of an "h" in character
[kar-ak-ter]
I pronounce it (mostly in my head) like the first syllable of
"character", but I know plenty of people who pronounce it like the
verb "char".
What are the names of the punctuation marks?  Are those "braces" or
"squiggly brackets"?  Is it "open paren", "open parens", or "open
parenthesis"?

() parentheses
[] brackets (square brackets if I want to be more explicit)
{} braces   (curly braces if I want to be more explicit)

I think UK English tends to use the words differently (I don't recall
the details), which is why I add the "square" or "curly" modifier (or
even "round" for parentheses) if there's any risk of misunderstanding.

brackets (or round brackets) or parentheses
square brackets
curly brackets

I don't think a UK non-programmer would understand what braces were (a
way to sell game birds?, a way keep your trousers up? orthodontal
correction? several stiff drinks?)

I note that Unicode uses the following terms (reference:
<http://unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt>):

( LEFT PARENTHESIS,     OPENING PARENTHESIS
) RIGHT PARENTHESIS,    CLOSING PARENTHESIS
[ LEFT SQUARE BRACKET,  OPENING SQUARE BRACKET
] RIGHT SQUARE BRACKET, CLOSING SQUARE BRACKET
{ LEFT CURLY BRACKET,   OPENING CURLY BRACKET

} RIGHT CURLY BRACKET,  CLOSING CURLY BRACKET
 

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