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[Matthias Kaeppler]

I use Linux mainly as a hobby, however are you sure those problems
aren't problems of the specific distribution that you are using? I am
using KDE and never experienced an application crash.


I use GNU/Linux since Slackware 3.0 era, and from all the free
distributions I have used, I think the greatest (or one of the greatest)
to be White Box Linux:

http://www.whiteboxlinux.org


What distribution are you using?

Sure, that may of course be the reason, I use Debian Sarge (the current
testing branch). However, I tried a couple of other distros, like SuSE,
RedHat, Mandrake, Arch, Fedora Core 3, and Debian testing turned out to
be a lot more stable than any of those.
In fact, the packages in Debian testing are older (and probably less
prone to bugs) than the packages in the distros mentioned above. Debian
has never tried to be bleeding edge, as opposed to most of the other big
distros, which yields a stability bonus.

Haven't used whitebox so far. Maybe I'll give it a shot when I find the
time. The installer looks like the one from Fedora.

 

[Matthias Kaeppler]

Wow, sorry to hear that.

I use KDE and do heavy duty development work
(SuSE Pro v9.2).

I haven't had anything crash in over two years.
Mozilla, Firefox, K3b, Umbrello, KDevelop etc, etc
al work fine

Something is 'not right' with your system.

Good Luck,
Larry

Hm, I'd say you can't compare SuSE to Debian in this part, because SuSE
is closely integrated with KDE.

Ever tried to run GNOME on SuSE? It will probably suck as much as
running KDE on Debian.

 

[Matthias Kaeppler]

[...] We had to work on an UML diagram for about 6 hours today
and unfortunately chose Umbrello to do the job, and it crashed pretty


regularly every 5-10 minutes

Admitted, Umbrello has had stability problems in past versions.
Please use at least version 1.4, it's much more stable.
Version 1.4.1 (to be released together with KDE 3.4.1 in a few days)
is even better.
If you still have problems with these recent Umbrello versions,
post them to http://bugs.kde.org/ and we'll look into them.

Oliver M. Kellogg

That's good news, because I do like Umbrello. I was actually the one who
proposed it, because at a first glance it looked complete and clean. I
still think it'd be a great UML modeller, if it would become stable.

It's really really hard to find any good free modelling tools. I have
tried a handfull so far, and none made me happy. So my hope still lies
in Umbrello

We installed a 3.4.x version of Umbrello today on an Ubuntu Notebook.
It didn't crash once (although it had some other oddities, but hey...).

Good work.

 

[Matthias Kaeppler]

Haven't used whitebox so far. Maybe I'll give it a shot when I find the
time. The installer looks like the one from Fedora.

Hey, it looks EXACTLY like Fedora. That means it looks pretty good

What, in your opinion, are its benefits or specialties compared to other
distros? I'd especially like to know which packager it uses.

One major thing which kept me sticking to Debian is the (IMHO still
unbeaten) awesomeness of apt and all its frontends (I use aptitude).
I think the package management in Debian is probably the best part about
it, and maybe the best in the Linux world. Except Arch Linux, which uses
a very nice packager called pacman (yeah!), and an even nicer package
creation utility called ABS (you can roll your Arch packages in like 5
minutes with that tool), every other distro turned me off after only a
week of usage or so, because I hated the gnarly package management.

I especially dislike rpm and all its hairy implementations/frontends.
The worst I have ever used must be yum, the Fedora Packager. It's
actually so bad, I wonder how the devs could think this particular piece
of software would be usable on an everyday basis. It's incredibly slow,
and after only like three days of use, I already had broken
dependencies, because in Fedora you /have/ to use both the official repo
/and/ inofficial repos (which e.g. have all the mp3 related tools like
XMMS, because due to licensing issue, those are not part of the official
repos), but the inoffical ones are not compatible to each other, so you
have to be extremely careful what you want to install, and from where.
Sure, you could argue that this isn't actually a yum problem, but more a
conceptual one, but for me, it simply doesn't work.

 

[Ioannis Vranos]

Sure, that may of course be the reason, I use Debian Sarge (the current
testing branch). However, I tried a couple of other distros, like SuSE,
RedHat, Mandrake, Arch, Fedora Core 3, and Debian testing turned out to
be a lot more stable than any of those.
In fact, the packages in Debian testing are older (and probably less
prone to bugs) than the packages in the distros mentioned above. Debian
has never tried to be bleeding edge, as opposed to most of the other big
distros, which yields a stability bonus.

Haven't used whitebox so far. Maybe I'll give it a shot when I find the
time. The installer looks like the one from Fedora.

White Box is based on the latest official Red Hat Enterprise Linux source code.

More accurately it is Red Hat Enterprise Linux with all Red Hat references removed.
And it is free, legal and very stable. Enterprise-level stability I would say IMHO.

Today I saw that release 4 was released recently, and I am downloading it at this moment.

 

[Ioannis Vranos]

Hey, it looks EXACTLY like Fedora. That means it looks pretty good

What, in your opinion, are its benefits or specialties compared to other
distros? I'd especially like to know which packager it uses.

As I said I have been using GNU/Linux from time to time mainly as an experimentation (to
keep in touch). So please correct me where I am wrong, as far as I know Fedora is the open
source, experimental/beta Red Hat.


White Box Enterprise Linux (WBEL) is compiled from the current, stable, and latest,
official Red Hat Enterprise Linux source code with only all Red Hat references removed. It
aims for 100% binary compatibility with Red Hat Enterprise Linux.


The default (preselected) environment is Gnome but I prefer KDE. I have experienced no
crashes with it. Especially with 3.0 Respin 2 (Respin= service pack).


From the screenshots of WBEL 4 RC1 that I saw on the site, the installer is identical
with 3.0 (with only 1-2 screenshots a bit improved).

One major thing which kept me sticking to Debian is the (IMHO still
unbeaten) awesomeness of apt and all its frontends (I use aptitude).
I think the package management in Debian is probably the best part about
it, and maybe the best in the Linux world. Except Arch Linux, which uses
a very nice packager called pacman (yeah!), and an even nicer package
creation utility called ABS (you can roll your Arch packages in like 5
minutes with that tool), every other distro turned me off after only a
week of usage or so, because I hated the gnarly package management.

I do not know much about the various Linux packaging approaches, however WBEL works well
with RPMs (it gets updated seamlessly), though it was necessary (at least in 3.0) editing
the config file to change it to another ftp mirror, because the main ftp site was slow.
This is the one and only manual editing I was performing after installation.

I especially dislike rpm and all its hairy implementations/frontends.
The worst I have ever used must be yum, the Fedora Packager.

Actually under X-Windows, Up2Date is used (yum is for console only if I recall well, I
only tried it once). Up2Date is very nice and has a automatic update notification tool on
the bottom right.

Updates are released relatively frequently, whenever Red Hat releases them for their
users, WBEL releases them for WBEL users.


The updates are only fixes. The approach of Red Hat (and WBEL) is one major stable release
and security fixes till the next major stable release.

It's
actually so bad, I wonder how the devs could think this particular piece
of software would be usable on an everyday basis. It's incredibly slow,
and after only like three days of use, I already had broken
dependencies, because in Fedora you /have/ to use both the official repo
/and/ inofficial repos (which e.g. have all the mp3 related tools like
XMMS, because due to licensing issue, those are not part of the official
repos), but the inoffical ones are not compatible to each other, so you
have to be extremely careful what you want to install, and from where.
Sure, you could argue that this isn't actually a yum problem, but more a
conceptual one, but for me, it simply doesn't work.

I haven't used Fedora so I do not know much of it. The only things used from Fedora are
Up2Date and Yum, because they consider them to be better than what RHEL provides!


WBEL is definitely worth to take a look if you are in the GNU/Linux domain.

 

[Larry I Smith]

Hm, I'd say you can't compare SuSE to Debian in this part, because SuSE
is closely integrated with KDE.

Ever tried to run GNOME on SuSE? It will probably suck as much as
running KDE on Debian.

Gnome works just fine.

Good Luck,
Larry

 

[Ioannis Vranos]

WBEL is definitely worth to take a look if you are in the GNU/Linux domain.

Here is what's new in RHEL4/WBEL4.

 

[Ioannis Vranos]

Here is what's new in RHEL4/WBEL4.

http://www.redhat.com/f/pdf/rhel4/RHEL4WhatsNewPdf.pdf