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David B. Held
WW said:
I'd do it again for no other reason than to annoy you personally.
Now *that's* trolling!
Dave
I'd do it again for no other reason than to annoy you personally.
Now *that's* trolling!
Dave
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David B. Held
Teeyester said:
Don't worry, the self-appointed newsgroup fuhrer claims to
be on the C++ committee and still makes fundamental errors
in his posts.
But don't just leave. Leave for greener pastures. Check out
comp.lang.c++.moderated, which is much more pleasant to
read, because you don't see all the messages from angry
people who act like moderators but are frustrated that they
lack the power to be moderators.
Dave
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WW
David said:
Thanks to you it is.
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WW
David said:
You had no other reason so far either. Unless you intended to annoy every
decent user of this newsgroup.
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WW
David said:
If you find any, point them out. So far it is only your mouth mumbling. At
least I do not keep post nonportable bullsh*t.
Out of the two of us you are the one who gets more and more frustrated. You
cannot even do decent trolling.
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WW
David said:
Ahh. I did not see your attempted sarcasm and failed attempt to prove me
lie. I am not on the C++ committee as a voting member (yet). I will be
there as an observer for now. Since unlike you dropping in here and trying
to change the rules I like to take the time to know what I am supposed to do
and what not. And IIRC I did not write I am on the C++ committee. If I
did, that was just wrong wording. IIRC I said I have worked my ass off to
get there. Last time I have been invited (Oxford) to observe and contribute
if I can I could not do it due to reasons beyond my control. Now I am
looking forward to it - despite of your ill-mannered bull-baiting.
Especially because I have already prepared a contribution which I guess will
be argued into pieces. What will give me the opportunity to be humiliated
based on reasons rather than annoying trolls' clouded fictions and
fixations. And that means I will learn a lot.
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David B. Held
WW said:
WW said:
Hmm...how's my mumbling now? Oh, sure, you
followed it up with this convenient bit of backpedaling:
Nice of you to mention that in the original post.
At least I don't tell users things that aren't in the standard.
That seems more evil than a non-portable solution, if you
ask me.
Oh, I'm so sad. You said I was a bad troll. And daddy
troll and mommy troll also said I was a no good troll kiddy.
Let's see...which one of us said:
"Get a wife and start crewing her."
While I am interested in rowing, I'm not sure I would find a
wife on the local crew team. So which one of us is "more
frustrated"? I can provide lots of other quotes, if there is
any doubt.
Dave
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WW
David said:
You, troll.
Really? So you tell them about ANSI terminals, which are not in the
standard.
BTW I see you have afound new trolling tactics: take things out of context.
Good job. Although only a 6 years old would fall for it but hey, you have
tried.
Making a mistake (if I did) is not as evil as driving a newsgroup
deliberately off-topic and then keep trolling around as you do.
Yes. Tipical respons to a troll. The trolls' sole purpose in life is to
create flame. And the troll uses flame baits (obviously wrong or stupid
things, like telling that ANSI terminals are in the realm of the standard
C++) to achieve that. Just like you. How interesting.
You have not yet seen me frustrated. That little suggestion above was the
first sign of me completely giving up on you since your stonehead is unable
to grasp even the simplest idea - doesn't matter how many tells it to you.
Feel yourself killfiled.
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David B. Held
WW said:
And this is not an groundless, antagonistic statement? What
is the definition of 'trolling' again?
Oh, I see. When you *reply* to an off-topic post, nothing
you say is considered "trolling". That means you are free to
put words in people's mouths and fail to quote them when
you attribute a claim to them. My bad.
I never claimed it was on-topic. I gave a half-hearted
justification for answering the question. But obviously, you
don't know what a smiley is. At this point, I'm not arguing
about my post. I'm arguing about the fact that you are
expending so much energy perpetrating the very evil you
complain about, which is off-topic posting.
Ah. I guess none of these could be considered "flame baits":
"Being an asshole stating that everything belongs
here which is covered by any of the ANSI standards
belongs here does."
"Get a wife and start crewing her."
"You think wrong. Wouldn't be the first case."
"Better look for another job. You would make a perfect
IRS official. AFAIK they also drive people crazy."
"Think. It might be unusual thing to do but believe me it
is worth of it."
That's from just your last post alone. I could compile a
veritable tome if I just dug through a few more posts.
Where I come from, people who accuse others of
something they are engaged in at the moment are called
"hypocrites".
Do you talk like this during committee meetings when
someone disagrees with you?
You may have control over the content you see, but you are
impotent to change the content that is posted.
The world sleeps better under your watchful eye of
protection.
Was I trying to sound liberal? That's funny...I didn't even
know political persuasion had entered the thread.
Oh, you're right. The first thing I did when I came here
was to take the welcome message and group guidelines and
twist them for my own evil purposes. Muaaahahahaha!!!
Soon, the entire newsgroup will be mine!!!! <more evil
laughing>
Hmm...that sounds like someone I've seen recently...
Tell that to the hypocrite.
"Being"? What percentage of progress is there? Last time I
heard, features either existed in the language or they didn't.
For that matter, who is to say that color support will not be
added? After all, people have even talked about color-
sensitive source code!
Well, it's impossible for me to read every thread to see which
off-topic posts are really on-topic. Perhaps you could make
a list.
Since threading is currently platform-specific, I don't see
how you could argue that it's a C++ discussion. Otherwise,
we might as well talk about the Dinkumware implementation
of strings.
Umm...you don't think discussion about compiler flags and
extensions in g++ is "platforms-specific"?? What do you
call it?
Yup. And not a single post discusses C++ code. That's
because the thread is really about network security, despite
having 8 posts in it, and not one warning by the moderator
that the thread is unrelated to C++.
It's nice how you pick and choose which OT topics to make
on-topic.
Oh, I see. Banning profane language isn't possible or
appropriate in Ada or Forth or Haskell or Fortran. It's
only something relevant to C++ source and programmers.
My mistake. I need to put more swearing in my Java code.
In your incompetence, you ran together two lines which
were not the same in the original post. Anyway, the term
was not specific to C++, and IDEs don't have anything
to do with C++ and are highly platform-specific.
Actually, it's even worse than that. I'm saying that the
moderation itself is more relaxed, and you don't get the
impression that the moderators hyperventilate every
time they see a post with questionable topicality.
But with thugs like you roaming the newsgroup, so will
threads here.
Obviously, we disagree.
"Part of a set"? What is that supposed to mean? And
since when is non-C++ specific terminology relevant
to a C++ newsgroup? What if I started asking about
cache memory? Or bus-mastering peripherals? Is
that type of terminology clarification on-topic?
I see. So when I say something antagnostic, it makes me
a troll. When you say something antagonistic, you were
"provoked". Now it makes sense.
Obviously, I wasn't vigorously defending the idea that
ANSI color codes were 100% topical. Hence, THE
SMILEY. And to say that I was trolling is ridiculously
cynical. You're the one that likes to start flame wars
whenever someone rubs you the wrong way. You're the
most disruptive poster on this newsgroup, so far as I can
tell. I would also be extremely suprised if the C++
committee allowed someone as unprofessional as
yourself participate in discussions. I would not be
suprised if you started cussing out committee members.
Well, I corrected you. But since you don't take correction
well, I've had to write a lot of posts. Now *that's* trolling!
I'm sure a veritable army of trolls was lurking in the
background, waiting for me, their troll leader, to sound the
charge so they could flood the newsgroup. It is only by
your brave resistance that my efforts have been thwarted!
Oh, waaah! You might ignore me!! Then what will I do?
I'll tell you what: I'll do a little dance...make a little love...
get down tonite! Ok, maybe I won't go that far, though
it might be cause for celebration all the same.
I think you should appoint Kevin as the "official" moderator.
He can at least manage to get his point across without swearing
like a 1337 h@x0r punk. I gotta give him props for that.
No, I suggest that the people who want to discuss the C++
language here should realize that you can't moderate an
unmoderated group. So for your own sanity, chill out a
little and let the world be imperfect now and then. It will
continue turning if a few off-topic posts slip through the
cracks.
Thanks to you!
LOL!!! I think it's quite a stretch to draw that conclusion,
but you seem to be prone to drawing tenuous conclusions.
It's amazing what doctrines you have pulled out of a 5-line
paragraph. You have managed to conclude that:
1) I am a conservative or
2) I am an anarchist
3) My purpose here is to troll and cause anarchy
4) I think all ANSI standards are topical here
5) I think that color output is defined in ANSI C++
6) I want to liberalize the newsgroup guidelines
7) I think that ANSI terminals are entirely on-topic
In a few more posts, I expect you to blame me for the
holocaust and violence in society, based on my definitive
5-line paragraph.
Mr. Matthews and Mr. Goodsell seem to have moved on.
Apparently, they're less fixated with pointing fingers than
they are with talking about C++.
Hmm...like "color isn't defined in ANSI C++"? How about
"not all terminals display color"? I've seen a lot of "obvious
bs" stated here, not by me, and yet I seem to be the only
troll. Funny how that works.
Well, you're the only one here engaged in a flame war.
How Mr. Goodsell and Mr. Matthews managed to avoid
that while you couldn't, I'm not sure. But obviously, it isn't
just about me.
8 lines of text not counting blank lines or my signature is
not "short"?? What do you think is short? 1 line?
No, I didn't. I said "I don't think it's entirely off-topic".
That is entirely different from saying it is "on-topic". Or
perhaps you think topicality is a binary measure.
A redirection to where? What if the OP doesn't even
know where to find a newsgroup dedicated to his
platform? What if you asked a traffic cop for directions
to the store, and he told you: "Go in the direction of
the place that sells things." Would you call that a
successful "redirection"?
Then you simply don't understand the notion of
tongue-in-cheek.
I would be quite suprised if anyone were to come here
and see your posts and decide: "Wow. I like this group
because Attila makes sure all the posts are on-topic."
Rather, I would expect that many people come here
and say: "I'm not going to go there, because that White
Wolf might bite my head off."
Since when did I decide what you read? I gave you a helpful
suggestion, but you don't seem to understand what those are.
Oh, well when you put it that way, it's obvious that you were
right and I was wrong. Man, you're a good debater!
Dave
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David B. Held
WW said:
I never implied that they were.
I don't think I've taken anything out of context unfairly.
Actually, you're the one that has contributed the most to
your little flame war.
Considering the amount of flame you have created, it hardly
seems reasonable to not call you a troll.
Still haven't shown where I said that.
Is putting words into people's mouths "flame bait"? Because
you've done that several times now. How that does not
make you a troll is beyond my capability to comprehend.
I see. And which "simplest idea" would that be?
Please pause while I observe a moment of mourning. How
will I ever recover from this devastating psychological
trauma? We'll see if this is a bluff or not, I suppose.
Dave
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WW
David B. Held wrote:
[trolling SNIPPED]
Does ignoring that he is ignored make an ignorant an ignoramus? Forget it.
I did not yet put you into my killfile to see if you still keep bashing me
behind my back as your last and most abject resort. You do. That put you
in place in my world had I have any doubts before. So long and thanks for
all the fish!
[trolling SNIPPED]
Does ignoring that he is ignored make an ignorant an ignoramus? Forget it.
I did not yet put you into my killfile to see if you still keep bashing me
behind my back as your last and most abject resort. You do. That put you
in place in my world had I have any doubts before. So long and thanks for
all the fish!
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WW
David B. Held wrote:
[trolling SNIPPED]
Does ignoring that he is ignored make an ignorant an ignoramus? Forget it.
I did not yet put you into my killfile to see if you still keep bashing me
behind my back as your last and most abject resort. You do. That put you
in place in my world had I have any doubts before. So long and thanks for
all the fish!
[trolling SNIPPED]
Does ignoring that he is ignored make an ignorant an ignoramus? Forget it.
I did not yet put you into my killfile to see if you still keep bashing me
behind my back as your last and most abject resort. You do. That put you
in place in my world had I have any doubts before. So long and thanks for
all the fish!
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David B. Held
WW said:
LOL!!! When you reply to provocative comments, it's a
valiant defense of newsgroup guidelines, no matter how
profane. When I do it, it's a "last and most abject resort"!
How very melodramatic.
Wolves eat fish? Do the dolphins know that?
Dave
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Alexander Terekhov
WW said:
You lost.
regards,
alexander.
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WW
Alexander said:
No, I did not. There is more to it Alexander than what you can grasp. But
I was sure that as David has already woke up some sleeping trolls that you
will jump in here as well. You know to loose you need to loose something.
I did not loose my etchics to bash someone behind his back when I think he
has killfiled me. David did. If anyone lost it was the group thanks to the
numerous trolls who will use David's fallacies to have some more arguments
to justify their idiotic behavior.
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Alexander Terekhov
WW wrote:
[...]
Wanna have a link on denial? ;-)
regards,
alexander.
[...]
Wanna have a link on denial? ;-)
regards,
alexander.
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Karl Heinz Buchegger
Teeyester said:
No. You should not go away.
But you should learn what's in the standard language and what's not. In this
newsgroup we discuss the standard language only: Things that are the same on whatever
compiler you use (minus compiler bugs of course
Basically what's off topic:
Everything dealing with hardware. The standard language doesn't deal with
that and you will always have to use extensions which are available on
your specific system only. This includes eg:
monitor or screen control
color
controlling the cursor
clearing the screen (a very popular question)
mouse
keyboard
parallel connections
serial connections
etc...
The other big group are platform specific questions, as in:
how do I figure out the amount of memory
how to control paging or swapping
how to read a directory (while the standard contains a rudimentary
concept of a file, all bets are off if we talk about directories)
...
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WW
Alexander said:
Wanna have a link on how to stop trolling? BTW taking a 4 words sentence
out of the 94 words context is just as good for trolling as David's "I was
just joking if you have proved I was wrong but otherwise I was right"
tactics.
Anyways why I am talking to you. I don't have to prove anything to you -
esp. because I know you don't give a damn you are just here for another
action in your "how can we humiliate others" game.
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Alexander Terekhov
WW wrote:
[...]
Yep, I'll really appreciate it.
[snip whining]
Uhmm, shall I take it that I made you feel humiliated?
regards,
alexander.
[...]
Yep, I'll really appreciate it.
[snip whining]
Uhmm, shall I take it that I made you feel humiliated?
regards,
alexander.
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WW
Alexander said:
Only most of the time.