Hey! I'm reasonably genuine. At least I try not to be too much of a
phony.
Oh, you pass muster Brian.
Your post hadn't appeared at the time I
wrote.
Common sense.
They don't deserve any more attention than we've given them, but I'll
point out the signs this time in the hope that this information prevents
others from getting hoodwinked in future (btw I've been taken in too). The
following signs add up to "pack of trolls":
1) all Google postings bar Mehta
2) no posting history bar Suman. vsnadagouda has one previous post that
smells of troll, but he did spot the uninitialised pointer and there's a
slim chance he's not a troll.
3) promptness of responses (esp considering (2))
4) style of the original post (cf the more extreme "chelleppa" style)
5) the flurry of consecutive top-level posts from "chellappa", "newlang",
"Priya Mishra", "Sven Kast USA" and "rahul8143" are clearly all from an
individual or cooperating group. They have the same style; they occurred
consecutively and within a short time period; chellappa and newlang share
an IP address and subject matter; all posted multiple times in an obvious
attempt to annoy
6) trolls reply to themselves
7) naivety or irrelevance (eg Ken) / ignorance (only one spotted the
uninitialised pointer) / childishness (Sven)
At first glance Suman passes muster: he has a 6 month posting history in
c.l.c. and seems to say some relatively on-topic things. But when I
looked closer I found:
1) Google poster
2) many of his posts appear to have been carefully designed to be
just so incorrect that they require a response without being an obvious
bait
3) most of his responses occur in troll-initiated threads
4) some of his responses are best interpreted as a troll responding to
itself/a companion troll. eg. Responding to chellapa's "I want a
relationship with you" with "Who'd want that?
".
5) some other incongruous comments inconsistent with a genuine regular: eg
responding unnecessarily to Richard Bos with "Aye, aye! Sir!" in the
thread "abt time functions"
He's a troll playing as a regular by carefully not stepping too obviously
outside the bounds, but he's left enough clues to be spotted. Here's
another from the "Floatin point issues" thread:
And don't you reply to me asking me why I am supporting [the regulars] -
I have my own reasons, that (your) reasons cannot comprehend.
Those reasons of course being to ingratiate himself as a regular whilst
continuing to subtly troll.
There may be some who don't care (or don't have the time/desire to check)
whether the originator of a post is trolling or not; they may be satisfied
as long as any inaccuracies within the post get corrected.
On the other hand I think that feeding the trolls should be avoided as
much as possible since it only encourages them and wastes many resources.
Some may consider _me_ a troll for focusing attention on the issue - it is
after all off-topic. It's apparent to me though that considerable
resources in this newsgroup are being spent on responding to trolls, and
once you know the signs, it's so easy to spot them and ignore them. Not
100% accurately of course, but how about we adopt Kenny McCormack's
suggestion from another seemingly troll-initiated thread ("Is this correct?"):
Can we please make it part of the religion of this NG that when people
post questions like this, they must also provide why they want to know?
I.e., we seem to do a pretty good job of stomping on them for all the OT
stuff, can't we also stomp on them for posting silly things w/o any
rationale given?
A great idea that would mitigate a lot of the trolling. Other techniques
are possible - eg. some kind of unofficial moderation where likely
troll-posts are identified and responded to appropriately (these
identification and response procedures could become part of the newsgroup
FAQ).
This method could at the least treat history-less Google-using posters
whose subject matter is irrelevant or less than interesting as "guilty
until proven innocent".