efficient network transfer

[Thomas Schodt]

OFC you are free to continue to throttle the responses you get

you'd be surprised how many people just don't care.

We are a caring lot. ^_^
We hope to improve your experience in c.l.j.* by providing hints on what
you could change in your posts to get more useful replies (faster).

 

[Collin VanDyck]

We are a caring lot. ^_^
We hope to improve your experience in c.l.j.* by providing hints on what
you could change in your posts to get more useful replies (faster).

Jumping in to voice my opinion on what is apparently a trainwreck of a
thread.

My initial response to Andrew Thompson's post, was that it was
unnecessarily nitpicking and even moreso patronizing. Simply put, I
don't really like his attitude, but after some consideration and through
the reading of the other posts, I have to agree with his insistence of
well written posts, including capitalization and grammar.

As previously mentioned in this thread, usenet posts _do_ stick around
for a long time and are a resource that many will pull on for some time
to come. It betters the overall quality of this newsgroup when people
put more time into their posts and is overall a good thing.

Additionally, the extra time spent on the post might also lead the
poster to include more information or to word what might be an otherwise
confusing paragraph differently. Similarly to those who put lots of
log.debug() statements in their code, it forces the user to spend more
time on that section of the code, thereby improving the overall quality
of the code.

Just my $0.02 (USD)

 

[CacheIsOverStudied]

It was, at least for me as a non-native speaker. That's why I ignored
it. Well, I didn't ignore it immediately, I had a few unfriendly
thoughts and then ignored it.

But what in general gets worse is the attitude of posters like "uzon",
or someone going by the name of "Mike Crabs ([email protected])"
Message-ID: <[email protected]>,
Message-ID: <[email protected]>.

They post anonymously, via google-groups, often posting homework, and
simply can't behave at all. They don't take any advice, treat us as
there servants and demand to be spoon-feed.

This year is the worst I have seen here. There was usually a peek of
such people at the start of the US university term each year, which
quickly came and quickly went away. But this year it just doesn't stop.
And it is not just in .programmer, it happens in all the c.l.j.* groups
which I read. Is there a new cheating contest going on at US universities?


It was bad to provide a solution. This way you encourage the behavior of
people like "uzon" or "Mike Crabs". They just learned that all it takes
to get their problems fixed it to insult us and treat us like scum, that
they just have to push a little bit harder and unfriendlier to get an
answer.

IMHO, the harder they push, the less useful answers they should get, and
the more ridicule they should get. Either they learn and behave, or they
go away.

/Thomas

Just an observation:
I think the answers were good. To use BufferedInputStream instead of
the 'byte-by-byte' approach. Which I think is what uzon was asking
about before all these stupid post-wars started:
"i know there are other sending/receiving functions in java but don't
know which to use"
I don't think asking for a function name is too big of a deal, asking
for a full program ofcourse is.
It is obviously ridiculous fighting like kids. IMHO, when you tell
someone to post in a more user friendly manner you don't need to bring
in sarcasm. Some people aren't aware of it (i.e. MS Word fixes it for
you..). And ofcourse, receiving criticism, either accept it or ignore
it. No need to reply to it.
-My 2c

 

[Esmond Pitt]

But what in general gets worse is the attitude of posters like "uzon",
or someone going by the name of "Mike Crabs ([email protected])"

Thomas, your feelings about 'someone by the name of "Mike Crabs"' are
competely irrelevant.

They post anonymously, via google-groups, often posting homework, and
simply can't behave at all. They don't take any advice, treat us as
there servants and demand to be spoon-feed.

Again I don't know why you're talking about 'they': I thought we were
talking about Aaron Uzon who doesn't seem very anonymous, doesn't appear
to be doing homework, didn't demand to be spoon-fed, and who certainly
took my advice. What exactly are you talking about? BTW I am engaged
with a poster such as you describe in the Java Forums so I am aware of
the phenomenon you describe: I just don't see any evidence for it in
this thread. What I do see is a lot of out-of-place posturing.

It was bad to provide a solution. This way you encourage the behavior of
people like "uzon" or "Mike Crabs". They just learned that all it takes
to get their problems fixed it to insult us and treat us like scum, that
they just have to push a little bit harder and unfriendlier to get an
answer.

No, it wasn't bad: solutions are what the group is for. I haven't been
insulted or treated like scum, in fact it is clearly the nitpickers who
are doing precisely that to Aaron.

IMHO, the harder they push, the less useful answers they should get, and
the more ridicule they should get. Either they learn and behave, or they
go away.

Again it is clearly the nitpickers who are doing the hard pushing and
misbehaving in this case.

 

[uzon]

Thomas, your feelings about 'someone by the name of "Mike Crabs"' are
competely irrelevant.


Again I don't know why you're talking about 'they': I thought we were
talking about Aaron Uzon who doesn't seem very anonymous, doesn't appear
to be doing homework, didn't demand to be spoon-fed, and who certainly
took my advice. What exactly are you talking about? BTW I am engaged
with a poster such as you describe in the Java Forums so I am aware of
the phenomenon you describe: I just don't see any evidence for it in
this thread. What I do see is a lot of out-of-place posturing.


No, it wasn't bad: solutions are what the group is for. I haven't been
insulted or treated like scum, in fact it is clearly the nitpickers who
are doing precisely that to Aaron.


Again it is clearly the nitpickers who are doing the hard pushing and
misbehaving in this case.

Thank you. I appreciate that.
Just to settle what has become an entertaining non-java thread-
1. I had no idea people care so much about 'i' vs. 'I' and the like.
I have no problem making my post 'more readable'. As I'm doing now,
since I see this is a big deal for you.
2. What ticked me off was the attitude Andrew Thompson is using. It's
fine to point out how you think one should post. But the attitude is
out of place.
Just remember it's a free country (at least where I live) so you can
point it out but I may choose to ignore it. If I do ignore it, and
it's really that uncomfortable for you to read, don't.
3. No, this is not a homework problem. I never said it was. This is my
own project. Not that it makes any difference.
The feedback was good and to the point- I asked what functions to use
instead of the horrible byte copying I was doing. I got good feedback
about buffered streams and even better, changing the buffer size which
came in very handy.
What's wrong with that kind of help? What's the point of the forums
for?
4. Some of you guys take this way too seriously. It's a forum. Some
people spell ok, some don't. Some use proper grammar, some don't.
Sure, suggesting proper grammar is perfectly legitimate, but it's not
the end of the world. The forums will go on.
Thomas, Who did I treat like scum? Someone who gave me attitude for no
reason?
Andrew, did I miss any 'i's? No hard feelings.

 

[Thomas Weidenfeller]

CacheIsOverStudied wrote:
[...]

Ah, another student, anonymously hiding behind Google. Tell me, why
should I take you serious?

/Thomas