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[Els]

Jehosephat, how, uh, serio-cosmic. In the new world we have women named
"Josie" and women who are hos but I dunno any women named "José" (or at
least none whose names have that exact phonetic construct except maybe
when they're sneezing.)

Dutch women called José pronounce it as Yo-zay. (accent on second
syllable)

 

[Dylan Parry]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

[é]

I use alt-130 in mail and Usenet

It's easier than that. In most Windows applications, for letters with
acute accents, you can just press "Ctrl+Alt+letter". Alternatively, you
can press "Alt Gr+letter" for the same effect.

For example, "Ctrl+Alt+E" gives é, whereas "Shift+Ctrl+Alt+E" gives É.
It's the same for any of the vowel characters.

I'm not sure if there are any shortcuts like that for grave accents or
for umlauts etc. I'm also not sure if this shortcut works in any other
OS's, or indeed whether it always works in Windows! It's always worked
for me, so I have no reason to think otherwise for Windows.

 

[Els]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

[é]

I use alt-130 in mail and Usenet

It's easier than that. In most Windows applications, for letters with
acute accents, you can just press "Ctrl+Alt+letter". Alternatively, you
can press "Alt Gr+letter" for the same effect.

For example, "Ctrl+Alt+E" gives é, whereas "Shift+Ctrl+Alt+E" gives É.
It's the same for any of the vowel characters.

Well.. in this application here, Dialog, I press Ctrl + Alt + e and
nothing happens. Besides that, I don't know how you type, but for me,
pressing the left-Alt with my left hand and typing any combination of
3 digits (the ones I use are all in my head and have been since I was
17 or so) with my right hand, is far easier than trying to press ctrl
and alt and the letter e or a all with my left hand. I'd actually have
to look at my keyboard to do it :\

I'm not sure if there are any shortcuts like that for grave accents or
for umlauts etc.

See? That's one more reason why alt-anything is easier: é í á ë è ç ã
ñ ê ... all without having to think about different keys for different
shortcuts. Just Alt and all digits for which I don't have to move my
hand

I'm also not sure if this shortcut works in any other
OS's, or indeed whether it always works in Windows! It's always worked
for me, so I have no reason to think otherwise for Windows.

Well, it doesn't work in my Dialog on WinXP

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

[é]

I use alt-130 in mail and Usenet

It's easier than that. In most Windows applications, for letters with
acute accents, you can just press "Ctrl+Alt+letter".

Hmmm, what Window apps for you? Don't seem to work in any of my Window
apps in W2K. Ctrl+Alt+letter brings up endnotes bar in Word and does
nothing in most other apps.

Alternatively, you

can press "Alt Gr+letter" for the same effect. What is 'Gr'?

For example, "Ctrl+Alt+E" gives é, whereas "Shift+Ctrl+Alt+E" gives É.
It's the same for any of the vowel characters.

I'm not sure if there are any shortcuts like that for grave accents or
for umlauts etc. I'm also not sure if this shortcut works in any other
OS's, or indeed whether it always works in Windows! It's always worked
for me, so I have no reason to think otherwise for Windows.

é <- Alt+130
é <- ALT+0233

works for me in Mozilla and others

 

[Els]

What is 'Gr'?

"Alt Gr" - it's the alt-key on the right iirc. It has different
functions than the one on the left. I'm guessing 'gr' stands for great
or grand?

 

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, Els quothed:

Dutch women called José pronounce it as Yo-zay. (accent on second
syllable)

I must admit I've never heard that name (Yo-ZAY) before. Now in the
movie "Rocky" there was a "Yo-Adrian"....

 

[Adrienne Boswell]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Neredbojias

I must admit I've never heard that name (Yo-ZAY) before. Now in the
movie "Rocky" there was a "Yo-Adrian"...

No, there was a "Yo-Adrienne" -- Rocky was calling a female, not a male.

 

[Dylan Parry]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

Besides that, I don't know how you type, but for me, pressing the
left-Alt with my left hand and typing any combination of 3 digits

[...]

It isn't actually possible to do that on a laptop machine without great
difficulty as the alt+keypad combinations require that you use the
keypad numbers, but my laptop doesn't have one

Well, it doesn't work in my Dialog on WinXP

Must be your version of Windows? I presume you have a Dutch version? I'm
just guessing now that maybe the localised versions are different, or
that there is some different set-up with non-UK keyboards...

 

[Dylan Parry]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Jonathan N.
Little finally proclaimed:

Hmmm, what Window apps for you? Don't seem to work in any of my Window
apps in W2K. Ctrl+Alt+letter brings up endnotes bar in Word and does
nothing in most other apps.

Works in all of the apps I have. I am now beginning to think that this
is something that works only in UK versions of Windows using a UK layout
keyboard.

What is 'Gr'?

It's a key between the space bar and the right Ctrl key. IIRC the "Gr"
bit means Graphic, or at least that's what IBM have always said.

 

[Els]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

Besides that, I don't know how you type, but for me, pressing the
left-Alt with my left hand and typing any combination of 3 digits

[...]

It isn't actually possible to do that on a laptop machine without great
difficulty as the alt+keypad combinations require that you use the
keypad numbers, but my laptop doesn't have one

You have the wrong laptop
http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/images_big/images_large/aspire9500.jpg

Must be your version of Windows? I presume you have a Dutch version?

Yes. But wouldn't that be more reason to have shortcuts for é and ë?
(as they are part of our language, not yours)

I'm
just guessing now that maybe the localised versions are different, or
that there is some different set-up with non-UK keyboards...

You mean if I would set my keyboard to Dutch or UK instead of US, it
might work?

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Jonathan N.
Little finally proclaimed:




Works in all of the apps I have. I am now beginning to think that this
is something that works only in UK versions of Windows using a UK layout
keyboard.

Must be, doesn't work on US version. We don't futz will all that accent
stuff :-D

It's a key between the space bar and the right Ctrl key. IIRC the "Gr"
bit means Graphic, or at least that's what IBM have always said.

Hmm I have:

[SPACE] [RT ALT] [WIN*] [MENU**] [RT CTRL]

*the right-side version of the infamous 'Windows' key or otherwise know
as: "f***! I touched you and now I've bombed out of my game" key.

**Windows Menu key, another virtually useless key the opens a window's
menu, but your never know which one, sometimes it is the edit menu
sometimes the view menu. I rather use ALT+E or ALT+V and know what I am
getting!

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Neredbojias
<[email protected]> writing in @news.isp.com:




No, there was a "Yo-Adrienne" -- Rocky was calling a female, not a male.

"Yo-mama"

 

[Dylan Parry]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

You have the wrong laptop
http://www.laptopshop.co.uk/images_big/images_large/aspire9500.jpg

Interesting. I've never seen a laptop with a keypad, but mine certainly
has enough space on it! I think part of the problem would be that the
keyboard wouldn't be centered to the screen, which could be a potential
cause of RSI.

You mean if I would set my keyboard to Dutch or UK instead of US, it
might work?

That could be the reason, yes

 

[Els]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:


Interesting. I've never seen a laptop with a keypad, but mine certainly
has enough space on it! I think part of the problem would be that the
keyboard wouldn't be centered to the screen, which could be a potential
cause of RSI.

For the past two years my keyboard hasn't been centered to the monitor
here (my desk just isn't big enough), and I never had any rsi
symptoms. As I'm typing this, I'm sitting directly facing the monitor,
while my hands are typing slightly to the right. Actually, the A on my
keyboard is centered to the screen. I could move it slightly to the
left and have the F in the center, but then my Tea would fall of the
desk... ;-)
I think RSI has more to do with staying in the exact same position for
a long time than with all these ergonomic chairs, desk heights, mouse
mats and keyboard vs screen position. Not for nothing it's called
Repetitive Strain Injury. Nothing repetitive if you keep moving
around.

That could be the reason, yes

So.. how about you try it out - set your keyboard to US and see if it
still works <g>

 

[Neredbojias]

With neither quill nor qualm, Adrienne Boswell quothed:

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Neredbojias


No, there was a "Yo-Adrienne" -- Rocky was calling a female, not a male.

Hah! I was going to type "Adrienne" first but figured it more likely
spelled "Adrian".

 

[Dylan Parry]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:

So.. how about you try it out - set your keyboard to US and see if it
still works <g>

Heh. This OS is too fragile to go mucking about with settings

 

[Els]

Pondering the eternal question of "Hobnobs or Rich Tea?", Els finally
proclaimed:


Heh. This OS is too fragile to go mucking about with settings

That's why I thought I'd ask you instead of testing it myself <g>

 

[Rob_W]

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Neredbojias
<[email protected]> writing in @news.isp.com:




No, there was a "Yo-Adrienne" -- Rocky was calling a female, not a male.

Last night I watched The Specialist, also with Stallone.
Sharon Stone played the lead female character, a woman called Adrian
Hastings.

(having written the above, I checked on IMDB.com and guess what: Rocky's
wife is called Adrian)

Rob