Getting Started with Ajax

[Barrie Wilson]

Scott,

you're being a jerk; I and several other people have made sincere, honest
efforts to provide some useful input and all you do is whine about nobody
understanding your question / requirements / sad state of affairs

I don't care which way you use AJAX or for that matter, whether you ever use
AJAX ... the point here is that you since you can't find anything on point
for your unique requirements (and apparently nobody else can either), what
you might deduce is that there's not a lot of commercial interest in your
requirements: there is no 1500 page book on the market entitled, "AJAX
Unleashed: The Visual Studio 2008 Standard Toolkit." Get over it. Tell the
idiots imposing all the constraints on your work that they need to provide
you with some resources; presumably THEY understand your question.

BW

 

[Scott M.]

There's a world of difference from installing some 3rd-party add-on that
you've found on tucows and installing a companion toolkit made by
Microsoft specifically to be used in conjunction with another Microsoft
product...

No Mark there isn't. If I am not allowed by company policy to add any
additional software to my workstation image, then I'm not allowed to install
any additional software to the image, period.

You, as a developer, are being prevented from developing the best solution
because you are not allowed (by someone who clearly hasn't the remotest
understanding of any of this) to use the tools specifically designed for
the job...

That would be akin to preventing XP users from installing the latest
service pack because it didn't come with the original release...

Mark, this is all besides the point of my post. Clearly, you have no
information regarding my question. Thanks for your time, but you really
aren't helping. There are a multitude of reasons for why I need to develop
without any additional software (too many too list here) and they are all
for good reasons that work in the environment I'm in. I'm not asking for
your to "review" that environment or the people who've made the decisions
for it.

If you know of any good resources about the use of Ajax out of the VS 2008
box, then I welcome those comments.

-Scott

 

[Scott M.]

Then I would respectfully suggest that you find another job ASAP, as

whoever has imposed this laughable restriction on you is seriously
hindering your career...

With all respect (and the last bit of my patience) Mark, you don't know me.
You don't know what I'm working on and you don't know what my job is. You
have no idea what my career involves. In short, there's a lot you don't
know.

I'm not a novice. I have very good reasons for working in the environment
that I do. To explain them would take a significant amount of time and even
if I did, it is irrelevant to my question or the answer that is out there
somewhere.

You've provided nothing that comes close to information that I've requested.
I'm pretty sure the title of my post was NOT "Please help me understand what
the development environment I'm working in should be so that my carrer won't
be hindered."

I'm asking a very simple question about the "out of the box" VS 2008
capabilities. This is not a "special situation" or "special configuration"
that warrants some "special" consideration.

It's obvious you don't have any information relating to what I've asked.
That's fine, but please stop interjecting unwelcomed irrelevant diatribe
that does not relate to my post.

-Scott

 

[Scott M.]

Please see my replies to Mark. And, please re-read your posts to see who
has been what and to whom.

Happy Holidays

 

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:
!> I didn't know that asking a question about the default
!> features of VS 2008 would warrant such a response.

This is not a VS 2008 discussion group. It's an ASP.NET discussion group.

re:
!> If you know of any good resources about the use of Ajax
!> out of the VS 2008 box, then I welcome those comments.

I'll ask again :
Aren't there enough resources about the use of Ajax in the VS 2008 "Help" ?

If you think there aren't enough resources in VS 2008's help,
maybe posting your comments in http://forums.asp.net/1112.aspx,
or in http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/default.aspx?ForumGroupID=153&SiteID=1 would help.

The VS 2008 team monitors those fora.
They don't monitor this discussion group.

Remember that VS 2008 hasn't been released to the general public yet,
so it will take some time before bloggers/websites have ample info about "Ajax in VS 2008".

There's a world of difference from installing some 3rd-party add-on that you've found on tucows and installing a
companion toolkit made by Microsoft specifically to be used in conjunction with another Microsoft product...

No Mark there isn't. If I am not allowed by company policy to add any additional software to my workstation image,
then I'm not allowed to install any additional software to the image, period.

You, as a developer, are being prevented from developing the best solution because you are not allowed (by someone
who clearly hasn't the remotest understanding of any of this) to use the tools specifically designed for the job...

That would be akin to preventing XP users from installing the latest service pack because it didn't come with the
original release...

Mark, this is all besides the point of my post. Clearly, you have no information regarding my question. Thanks for
your time, but you really aren't helping. There are a multitude of reasons for why I need to develop without any
additional software (too many too list here) and they are all for good reasons that work in the environment I'm in.
I'm not asking for your to "review" that environment or the people who've made the decisions for it.

If you know of any good resources about the use of Ajax out of the VS 2008 box, then I welcome those comments.

-Scott

 

[Barrie Wilson]

Please see my replies to Mark. And, please re-read your posts to see who
has been what and to whom.

this is what I see:

-------------------------------

Scott M. -- 12-08-2007 10:27am
Does anyone have suggestions of good resources I can check out that keep the
extras separate from the standard VS product?


Barrie Wilson -- 12-10-2007 11:30am
you wanted to know how to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product,"


Scott M -- 12-10-2007 2:00pm
I never said I wanted to "keep the extras separate from the standard VS
product"

-----------------------------

you got the picture yet, Scott? ... that's why I've had enough of this
petulant, self-absorbed nonsense

BW

 

[Scott M.]

Then you obviously don't comprehend English Bruce. I did not say that I
wanted to keep the extra features separate, as you say, I said I wanted
resources that keep the extras separate.

Now, you can sling insults all you want, but that doesn't change the simple
question I asked and the fact that you haven't provided anything that
resembles an answer to it.

 

[Scott M.]

And, what part of "but it's important that I not use anything that is not
standard with VS 2008 Pro." did you not understand?

It's obvious that you are just going on the offensive here because you have
no defense. You screwed up and posted a reply that has no bearing on the
question and you would rather call people names than be of any genuine help.

It was a simple enough question.

 

[Scott M.]

Sorry, got the name wrong. It's Barrie that has not understood English,
been rude, and of no help.

My apologies to the Bruces out there.

 

[Barrie Wilson]

Then you obviously don't comprehend English Bruce. I did not say that I
wanted to keep the extra features separate, as you say, I said I wanted
resources that keep the extras separate.

which means what, Scott? what kind of "resources" would "keep the extras
separate?" ... now think about that; you have a bit of trouble with the
concept of ambiguity and even more difficulty with precision of expression
.... a VM would "keep the extras separate" in terms of physical and
functional isolation, so I mentioned it to you ... the MS documentation
provides coverage of the classes provided in the VS 2008 Pro installation,
and I pointed THAT out ... finally, I pointed out that authors don't
generally tailor their coverage of a topic to cover particular
configurations, which most people of reasonable inteligence would take as a
suggestion that you're unlikely to find tutorial or documentary "resources"
catering to your apparent inability to ignore material not applicable to
your particular requirements and circumstances

so, Scottie, in response to your ambiguous question I basically covered the
whole waterfront to compensate for your articulation deficit; in return I
received a snappy, snotty answer ... you were expecting what in turn? a
Christmas Card?

Now, you can sling insults all you want, but that doesn't change the
simple question I asked and the fact that you haven't provided anything
that resembles an answer to it.

Scottie, call Mommy and Daddy ... you know, the folks who filled you up with
so much self-esteem you've come to believe the Earth revolves around you ...
and don't beam me up ...

BW

PS: since you apparently take great pride in your facility with the
language, let me help you out here: when a point has been voided of
signifiance or relevance, it has become "moot" ... not "mute," as you
previously wrote in this thread ... and we know it wasn't a typo, so don't
even think about going there ...

 

[Scott M.]

A "resource" does not refer to software. It refers to reference material to
read and look at. That simple point has escaped you.

VM's are completely and totally irrelevant, yet you persist with them. And,
thanks for responding to my question about what part of "but it's important
that I not use anything that is not standard with VS 2008 Pro."

Clearly, you just want to pick on someone, to the point of calling them
names and being just rude without provocation.

Good luck with that (you can now go back to beating your wife and/or kids).

 

[Barrie Wilson]

A "resource" does not refer to software.

previously I only *thought* you were incapable of effective communication;
now I know it ... get a dictionary and enjoy your work with AJAX

 

[Nathan Sokalski]

Maybe instead of complaining about not being able to use the add ons, you
should try to explain to your boss that they are not a bad thing. I'm sure
that once he understands how useful they are and how much more efficient the
result will be, he'll let you install them. If you are not allowed to use
all this knowledge you have, why are you still working for these guys?
--
Nathan Sokalski
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.nathansokalski.com/

Because it's unbelievably short-sighted...

Perhaps, but it's not my decision to make and it is counter prodcutive to
tell me what I "should" install when I've already told you that I can't.

The AJAX Control Toolkit is specifically designed to be an add-on to
Visual Studio.NET to make development of AJAX solutions easier - how on
earth can that possibly be a bad thing...?

I don't know, but as I've said repeatedly, it's not within my control, so
the point is mute.

What about Web Deployment Projects? Are you not "allowed" to use those
either...?

No, as a matter of fact, I'm not since all deployment is done via Tivoli
pushes.