GWT vs JSF vs ZK vs REST+JS

[Lew]

Arne Vajh?j wrote:
[Tom - you need a better character set. Try UTF-8 instead of that old
parochial US-ASCII.]

If you define it that way, then yes. But i don't see why that's a useful
definition - it doesn't include every kind of app you can deliver over
the web, and it does include a lot of apps which aren't hypertext.

I realise that this definition is popular, even though it isn't useful.
That doesn't seem to be a good reason to use it.

Hypertext is not an essential feature of Web apps. That it's an app and that
it is accessed via the Web are all you need.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_application>
<http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=Web+app&i=54272,00.asp>
<http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Web application>
apparently copied the PC Mag definition.
<http://blogs.msdn.com/b/skelley/archive/2007/06/24/sharepoint-terminology-defined.aspx>

 

[Tom Anderson]

Arne Vajh?j wrote:
[Tom - you need a better character set. Try UTF-8 instead of that old
parochial US-ASCII.]

If you define it that way, then yes. But i don't see why that's a useful
definition - it doesn't include every kind of app you can deliver over
the web, and it does include a lot of apps which aren't hypertext.

I realise that this definition is popular, even though it isn't useful.
That doesn't seem to be a good reason to use it.

Hypertext is not an essential feature of Web apps. That it's an app and that
it is accessed via the Web are all you need.

Okay, seems reasonable to me. By that definition, applets, Flash, and JWS
are all web apps.

tom

 

[Lew]

Lew proposed:

Okay, seems reasonable to me. By that definition, applets, Flash, and
JWS are all web apps.

Absolutely, although the application delivered by JWS need not be.

Web services fall under the "Web application" rubric also.

 

[Tom Anderson]

Lew proposed:



Absolutely, although the application delivered by JWS need not be.

As in it could also run standalone? Or something else?

Web services fall under the "Web application" rubric also.

You reckon? I think of web services as just another kind of RPC (even
REST), and whilst they may well be used by web apps, they aren't web apps
on their own.

tom

 

[Lew]

Lew proposed:

As in it could also run standalone? Or something else?

As in it could run standalone, yes.

You reckon? I think of web services as just another kind of RPC (even
REST), and whilst they may well be used by web apps, they aren't web
apps on their own.

I should have said more properly, "Applications that use web services fall
under the 'Web application' rubric also."

The point being that such applications may have a Swing interface, or other
non-web-based UI but use web services to support their logic, e.g., for lookups.

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

I should have said more properly, "Applications that use web services
fall under the 'Web application' rubric also."

The point being that such applications may have a Swing interface, or
other non-web-based UI but use web services to support their logic,
e.g., for lookups.

That is a very unusual definition.

That would make a batch job running on some big iron a web app
just because it makes SOAP/HTTP calls to interact with other
systems.

Arne