IE6 Bug

K

kendalk08

I need help with links not working in IE6. In all other browsers they
function completely normal. The site is built using CSS and currently
there is no scripting involved other then HTML and CSS.

The link is http://www.nwtechonline.com/~kendalk07a/.

If you need the code please respond and i will be glad to post it.

I just need to figure out how to make the links work in IE6. The
navigational links at the top and bottom work as well as the drop down
menu located on the home page about halfway down or more.

Thank you in advance for your help,
Kendal Knabe
 
R

richard

I need help with links not working in IE6. In all other browsers they
function completely normal. The site is built using CSS and currently
there is no scripting involved other then HTML and CSS.

The link is http://www.nwtechonline.com/~kendalk07a/.

If you need the code please respond and i will be glad to post it.

I just need to figure out how to make the links work in IE6. The
navigational links at the top and bottom work as well as the drop down
menu located on the home page about halfway down or more.

Thank you in advance for your help,
Kendal Knabe
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My two cents worth. I noticed you have a JS file being called.
It has two dots. It might be that IE6 is bugging out on that.

Personally, I refuse to use IE at all.
Then finding someone with 6 isn't gonna be easy.
 
K

kendalk08

My two cents worth. I noticed you have a JS file being called.
It has two dots. It might be that IE6 is bugging out on that.

Personally, I refuse to use IE at all.
Then finding someone with 6 isn't gonna be easy.
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That file is for the drop down menu. I will check that out though and
has never cause any other problems when i have used it on other sites.

To clarify things just a bit, its just the links located in the body
of the documents. The navigational links (Home, Certifications, etc.)
work and so does the drop down menu links. I need to figure out why
the rest of the links do not work.

Thanks again,
Kendal Knabe
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit kendalk08:
I need help with links not working in IE6. In all other browsers they
function completely normal.
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Vow, you tested all the 2000+ browsers! Quite an achievement.
The site is built using CSS and currently
there is no scripting involved other then HTML and CSS.
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Neither HTML nor CSS is scripting at all.
The link is http://www.nwtechonline.com/~kendalk07a/.
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It's generated with PHP, which is kind of scripting. More importantly,
it refers to JavaScript. Don't you know what "scripting" means?
I just need to figure out how to make the links work in IE6.
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No, you also need to make the page work. Making link colors close to
their background defeats that.
The
navigational links at the top and bottom work as well as the drop down
menu located on the home page about halfway down or more.
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You cannot do any navigational dropdown menus in HTML without scripting.

Just stop trying to use such menus at all, especially since you probably
don't know how to make them work.
 
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Ben C

Scripsit kendalk08: [...]
The navigational links at the top and bottom work as well as the drop
down menu located on the home page about halfway down or more.
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You cannot do any navigational dropdown menus in HTML without scripting.
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Of course you can, with :hover selectors.

This kind of basic idea:

ul { visibility: hidden }
li:hover ul { visibility: visible }

Which is probably what the OP has, although I didn't look, losing
interest after the subject line as I cannot help with IE bugs.

Although that reminds me, I may have heard that :hover does sometimes
work in some versions of IE but not in quirks mode.

So OP could try the strict doctype if he isn't doing so already. Start
every page with:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd">

to get strict mode.
 
E

Els

Ben said:
Scripsit kendalk08: [...]
The navigational links at the top and bottom work as well as the drop
down menu located on the home page about halfway down or more.
Click to expand...

You cannot do any navigational dropdown menus in HTML without scripting.
Click to expand...

Of course you can, with :hover selectors.

This kind of basic idea:

ul { visibility: hidden }
li:hover ul { visibility: visible }

Which is probably what the OP has, although I didn't look, losing
interest after the subject line as I cannot help with IE bugs.

Although that reminds me, I may have heard that :hover does sometimes
work in some versions of IE but not in quirks mode.
Click to expand...

:hover only works on anchors in IE6.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Ben C:
Of course you can, with :hover selectors.
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They're not HTML. But point taken, I should have finished my sentence at
"HTML", for clarity.
So OP could try the strict doctype if he isn't doing so already.
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I'd never suggest anything like that to a person who is clueless about
HTML. I've seen pages lose their entire visible content when a proper
doctype is added (to a page that is not proper at all). And there's
absolutely no magic in the strict doctype. The magic is in having a
doctype as defined in HTML specs.
 
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Ben C

Scripsit Ben C:


They're not HTML.
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Or scripting.
But point taken, I should have finished my sentence at "HTML", for
clarity.
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And you should also have finished _that_ sentence at '"HTML"', and also
for correctness rather than mere clarity :)
I'd never suggest anything like that to a person who is clueless about
HTML. I've seen pages lose their entire visible content when a proper
doctype is added (to a page that is not proper at all). And there's
absolutely no magic in the strict doctype. The magic is in having a
doctype as defined in HTML specs.
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Are you talking about validation?

I think staying out of quirks mode is an important step on the path to
sanity.

But it wouldn't help the OP anyway (if he is using :hover), for the
reason Els has given.
 
E

Els

Ben said:
I think staying out of quirks mode is an important step on the path to
sanity.
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True - but a transitional doctype correctly used also avoids
quirksmode - you don't need a strict doctype for that.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Ben C:
Are you talking about validation?
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No, I'm talking about the effect on visual rendering, as I suppose you
were.
I think staying out of quirks mode is an important step on the path to
sanity.
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It depends. It's easy to get insane by taking some old crappy page,
change it so that it is rendered in "standards" mode, and trying to make
some sense of it.

But to repeat, using the strict doctype vs. the transitional doctype as
defined in HTML specs has no impact on the rendering.
 
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Ben C

True - but a transitional doctype correctly used also avoids
quirksmode - you don't need a strict doctype for that.
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I didn't know that.

If I use this doctype:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

(which appears to be recommended here
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html as a pukka transitional
doctype)

I get some but not all quirks in Firefox, and also in Opera (although
different combinations). Probably running into some kind of
"almost-strict" mode.

See http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/quirks-mode for test-cases of some
quirks, by no means all of them.
 
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Ben C

Scripsit Ben C:


No, I'm talking about the effect on visual rendering, as I suppose you
were.
Yes.


It depends. It's easy to get insane by taking some old crappy page,
change it so that it is rendered in "standards" mode, and trying to make
some sense of it.
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Well I suppose you could argue ignorance is bliss.
But to repeat, using the strict doctype vs. the transitional doctype as
defined in HTML specs has no impact on the rendering.
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Perhaps you can explain these tests then:
http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/quirks-mode. I seem to get different
rendering between strict and transitional doctypes in both Firefox and
Opera, using what I thought were the proper doctypes for strict and
transitional (from http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html)
 
E

Els

Ben said:
I didn't know that.

If I use this doctype:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">

(which appears to be recommended here
http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html as a pukka transitional
doctype)

I get some but not all quirks in Firefox, and also in Opera (although
different combinations). Probably running into some kind of
"almost-strict" mode.

See http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/quirks-mode for test-cases of some
quirks, by no means all of them.
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Right :)

TBH, when I think of quirksmode, I think only of IE5's rendering, as
it doesn't know any standards mode. Whenever I code a new site, I use
a Strict HTML doctype, except when using CMSes, which usually means
transitional XHTML. So far I had never noticed any difference in
Firefox or Opera, but I guess that's because I didn't pay enough
attention to it...
 
R

richard

Scripsit kendalk08:


Ignore richard the clueless. Didn't a forged From field ring a bell?
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Clueless you are for sure. It is not forged because the tld of "you"
does not exist.
forgery is the intent of using a valid domain email you are not
entitled to. Notice I said, valid.
 
D

dorayme

Els said:
Right :)

TBH, when I think of quirksmode, I think only of IE5's rendering, as
it doesn't know any standards mode. Whenever I code a new site, I use
a Strict HTML doctype, except when using CMSes, which usually means
transitional XHTML. So far I had never noticed any difference in
Firefox or Opera, but I guess that's because I didn't pay enough
attention to it...
Click to expand...

In a thread a while back, <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ju82u> I
remarked that IE6 rendered some margin/space differently
according to whether it was strict or transitional. This is the
case that varies according to doctype in IE6:

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozze.html>

(I am not talking about the difference between having a doctype
and not having one at all. Korpela is right about some things on
this. Just having one triggers things)
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit Ben C:
Perhaps you can explain these tests then:
http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/quirks-mode. I seem to get different
rendering between strict and transitional doctypes in both Firefox and
Opera, using what I thought were the proper doctypes for strict and
transitional (from http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html)
Click to expand...

Fair enough - there are _some_ differences on those imitators of IE, but
not on IE itself. (They are imitators of IE at least in this respect,
since they intentionally imitate the bugs and oddities of old versions
of IE.)

By the way, what's proper doctype is defined in HTML specs rather than
non-authoritative QA documents (though the doctypes you use are OK).
 
G

GTalbot

I need help with links not working in IE6.
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Hello Kendall,

You have several blocks of code with conditional comments targeting IE
6. So, we don't know and can not know which links are actually working
or not working as expected in IE 6.

Like others told you (and I entirely agree with them):

- drop transitional XHTML and just use, only use strict HTML 4.01 like
Ben C reocmmended
- try to forget about IE 6. Concentrate on what are the current
mainstream browsers: IE 7, Firefox 2.0.0.12, Opera 9.25, Safari 3.0.4
http://www.end6.org/
http://browsehappy.com/
http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/
The only 2 things you should worry about with old browsers or buggy
browsers is if content is accessible and if navigation is functional

In all other browsers they
function completely normal. The site is built using CSS and currently
there is no scripting involved other then HTML and CSS.
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I'm sorry but you are using javascript and conditional comments which
target IE 6

Try to create a reduced testcase of your link problem. With HTML 4.01
strict. Without validation errors.
The link ishttp://www.nwtechonline.com/~kendalk07a/.

If you need the code please respond and i will be glad to post it.
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What would help is clearly, explicitly identifying a link, identifying
one link that does not work in IE 6 so that readers of your post
willing to offer assistance, support and help wouldn't have to search
one minute when trying to figure out the problem, wouldn't have to
scrub the whole page just to find a link that does not work.
I just need to figure out how to make the links work in IE6.
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Too bad. Most of us just need to figure out where in your 10 KB file
is one of such links after disableing javascript and removing
conditional comments.
The
navigational links at the top and bottom work as well as the drop down
menu located on the home page about halfway down or more.

Thank you in advance for your help,
Kendal Knabe
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Good luck,

Gérard
 
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Ben C

On 2008-02-12 said:
In a thread a while back, <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ju82u> I
remarked that IE6 rendered some margin/space differently
according to whether it was strict or transitional. This is the
case that varies according to doctype in IE6:

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozze.html>

(I am not talking about the difference between having a doctype
and not having one at all. Korpela is right about some things on
this. Just having one triggers things)
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No doctype at all usually gives you quirks mode. Custom doctypes, and
the proper HTML 4.01 strict doctype give you strict mode.

In between is a minefield. So better just to always use HTML 4.01
strict unless there's a very good reason not to.
 
J

Jukka K. Korpela

Scripsit GTalbot:
- try to forget about IE 6. Concentrate on what are the current
mainstream browsers: IE 7, Firefox 2.0.0.12, Opera 9.25, Safari 3.0.4
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Bad advice. IE 6 has more users than all versions of Firefox, Opera, and
Safari together.

Then again, worrying about some purported "IE 6 bug" with the pages of a
particular site when the site needs a redesign is pointless.
 

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