IE6 Bug

[Els]

In a thread a while back, <http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ju82u> I
remarked that IE6 rendered some margin/space differently
according to whether it was strict or transitional. This is the
case that varies according to doctype in IE6:

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozze.html>

Since that page obviously has only one doctype, I made a copy of it
and put the transitional doctype in it:
http://locusmeus.com/temp/chozze-transitional.html

Maybe it's because I'm using a stand-alone version of IE6 (which has
been known to be different from the real thing in some respects), but
I can't see a visual difference between your example and this one in
IE6?

 

[Els]

No doctype at all usually gives you quirks mode. Custom doctypes, and
the proper HTML 4.01 strict doctype give you strict mode.

In between is a minefield. So better just to always use HTML 4.01
strict unless there's a very good reason not to.

After having seen the examples on your
http://www.tidraso.co.uk/misc/quirks-mode page, I agree 100% with
that.

 

[kendalk08]

Hello Kendall,

You have several blocks of code with conditional comments targeting IE
6. So, we don't know and can not know which links are actually working
or not working as expected in IE 6.

Like others told you (and I entirely agree with them):

- drop transitional XHTML and just use, only use strict HTML 4.01 like
Ben C reocmmended
- try to forget about IE 6. Concentrate on what are the current
mainstream browsers: IE 7, Firefox 2.0.0.12, Opera 9.25, Safari 3.0.4http://www.end6.org/http://browsehappy.com/http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/
The only 2 things you should worry about with old browsers or buggy
browsers is if content is accessible and if navigation is functional

In all other browsers they


I'm sorry but you are using javascript and conditional comments which
target IE 6

Try to create a reduced testcase of your link problem. With HTML 4.01
strict. Without validation errors.



What would help is clearly, explicitly identifying a link, identifying
one link that does not work in IE 6 so that readers of your post
willing to offer assistance, support and help wouldn't have to search
one minute when trying to figure out the problem, wouldn't have to
scrub the whole page just to find a link that does not work.


Too bad. Most of us just need to figure out where in your 10 KB file
is one of such links after disableing javascript and removing
conditional comments.



Good luck,

Gérard

The links that do not work are all the links on every page of the
site. The links that are a brownish color in the body of the document.
This does not include the drop down menu (which functions perfect) and
the navigational links (Home, Assignments, Certifications, About Me,
Links) at the top and bottom of the page.

The reason i gave that link is because it is all pages in the site and
not just one page.

This is a site that is graded for school. I must have it viewable in
IE 6 more then any other browser, although it functions perfectly in
IE 7 and Firefox 2. I also use a stand-alone version of IE 6 to test
this site and it shows the site correctly, but in the full version of
IE 6 it doesn't quite work correctly.

Also the reason there is conditional statements used is because of
certain images that are transparent. They must be there for the site
to look almost correct in IE 6.

 

[kendalk08]

I have narrowed down the problem to it being the transparent .PNG
file. I would like the .PNG File to display in IE 7 and Firefox 2. If
you have any suggestions i am open to hearing them.

Thanks Again,
Kendal Knabe

 

[Els]

I have narrowed down the problem to it being the transparent .PNG
file. I would like the .PNG File to display in IE 7 and Firefox 2. If
you have any suggestions i am open to hearing them.

I think I'm missing something. Your question was about a dropdown menu
not working in IE6, and now you've narrowed it down to a transparent
..PNG file that apparently doesn't display in IE7 and Firefox?

 

[dorayme]

Since that page obviously has only one doctype, I made a copy of it
and put the transitional doctype in it:
http://locusmeus.com/temp/chozze-transitional.html

Maybe it's because I'm using a stand-alone version of IE6 (which has
been known to be different from the real thing in some respects), but
I can't see a visual difference between your example and this one in
IE6?

You are right and thanks for this. I needed to give you
references to slightly different cases - there is a slight
complication where, in the thread I referred to, I was at first
diagnosing margin rendering differences between IE and other
browsers and later looked at doctypes. But the two things are not
simply independent and I am reminded of this now.

Please look at:

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozzeOriginal.html
and then look at

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozzeOriginal_stri
ct.html>

Where there is no zeroing of the margins and paddings. But
difference in how IE6 is treating these according to doctype
strict or transitional. Something Ben said about partial quirks
might be applicable here?

 

[Els]

Please look at:

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozzeOriginal.html>

and then look at

<http://members.optushome.com.au/droovies/test/chozzeOriginal_stri
ct.html>

Where there is no zeroing of the margins and paddings. But
difference in how IE6 is treating these according to doctype
strict or transitional.

Well, your transitional version doesn't have a complete doctype, so
it's still in quirksmode.
Here's your version, with only the doctype changed to a complete
transitional one:
http://locusmeus.com/temp/chozze-transitional2.html

Looks the same as your strict version ;-)

 

[kendalk08]

I think I'm missing something. Your question was about a dropdown menu
not working in IE6, and now you've narrowed it down to a transparent
.PNG file that apparently doesn't display in IE7 and Firefox?

Your not missing anything. It never had anything to do with a dropdown
menu. It was about every OTHER link on the page not including the
navigational links.

Here is what i said in a previous post:

The links that do not work are all the links on every page of the
site. The links that are a brownish color in the body of the document.

Note this:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This does not include the drop down menu (which functions perfect) and
the navigational links (Home, Assignments, Certifications, About Me,
Links) at the top and bottom of the page.

The problem was from a transparent .PNG file that displayed and worked
perfectly in IE 7 and FireFox 2, but in IE 6 would make the links not
click-able. I am using this code to apply the background image:

..textContent {
background-image: url(transparent.png);
... Other Code
}

I have to figure out a way to display that transparent.png file in IE7
and FireFox, but not IE6. I have tried this:
<!--[if IE 6]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="ie_fix.css">
<![endif]-->

file:ie_fix.css
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
..textContent {
background:transparent;
}

Which has helped, but the transparent.png is not showing up in other
browsers now.

 

[kendalk08]

Thanks all for your help. Even though i figured out what the problem
was and how to fix it. Here is the code i used to turn the images off
in IE 6:

<!--[if IE 6]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="ie_fix.css">
<![endif]-->

The problem was that i was using this instead:

<!--[if lte IE 7]>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="ie_fix.css">
<![endif]-->

Thanks All,
Kendal Knabe

 

[dorayme]

Well, your transitional version doesn't have a complete doctype, so
it's still in quirksmode.
Here's your version, with only the doctype changed to a complete
transitional one:
http://locusmeus.com/temp/chozze-transitional2.html

Looks the same as your strict version ;-)

Thanks Els, the url above is basically OP's original and I did
not notice his transitional doctype was incorrect. In all my
other versions in that thread, I used correct ones if I recall.
It seems then that the message to use strict to solve his prob,
was based on me missing what you did not miss.

I think you should watch carefully for all the threads I am in
and nip these things in the bud at the time. I have come to rely
on you! <g>

 

[Els]

It seems then that the message to use strict to solve his prob,
was based on me missing what you did not miss.

Ben's examples are still valid though. Valid strict and transitional
doctypes, yet differences in FF and Opera.

I think you should watch carefully for all the threads I am in
and nip these things in the bud at the time. I have come to rely
on you! <g>

I'm only passing through though - I think you'd better rely on Ben to
catch your mistakes (I think I've seen you in Jukka's kf?)

 

[dorayme]

I'm only passing through though - I think you'd better rely on Ben to
catch your mistakes (I think I've seen you in Jukka's kf?)

It is not that bad in there for three reasons:

(1) I get inside information on his knowledge (I know things now
that he has never revealed to the ordinary punters out there)

(2) Being as clueless as he is on everything except a narrow
speciality, he has no idea at all how to make it unpleasant for
the inmates. I can honestly tell you that JK's kf is the best I
have ever been in. He is much much nicer up close than he is to
strangers.

(3) I don't mean to embarrass him, but in his naivety, he sends
down regular cups of tea and it is not bad at all. I did not
think they knew much about this in Finland.

 

[Els]

It is not that bad in there for three reasons:

(1) I get inside information on his knowledge (I know things now
that he has never revealed to the ordinary punters out there)

(2) Being as clueless as he is on everything except a narrow
speciality, he has no idea at all how to make it unpleasant for
the inmates. I can honestly tell you that JK's kf is the best I
have ever been in. He is much much nicer up close than he is to
strangers.

(3) I don't mean to embarrass him, but in his naivety, he sends
down regular cups of tea and it is not bad at all. I did not
think they knew much about this in Finland.

All I can say to that, is that I must be in the wrong corner of his
kf! <g>

 

[Ed Jay]

Els scribed:

All I can say to that, is that I must be in the wrong corner of his
kf! <g>

Me too...I ordered scones to go with the tea, but I've never received any.

 

[Els]

Els scribed:

[inside Jukka's killfile]

Me too...I ordered scones to go with the tea, but I've never received any.

I never had any tea.. :-(