DaKoadMunky posted:
I find the manner in which you communicate at times to be very immature
and unprofessional.
You have made statements similar to the following...
"Why the **** does C++ do it this way? It is so fucking stupid!"
"Only a shit compiler would allow this to compile. It is bullshit"
I find such a manner of communicating to be very unpleasant. If you
speak like you write then I would be hesistant to work with you.
Basically it comes across as arrogance without the knowledge to back it
up.
I believe that your interest in C++ and your growing knowledge of C++
could make you a valued member of this group or a development team.
All you gotta do is lose the attitude.
I see what you're getting at here, and to be honest, I do actually think
twice before posting a word like "****" to a newsgroup. It really just
depends on the way one is interpreted. For instance, it wouldn't be uncommon
for myself, in a social context, to react in disbelief with the exclamation
"**** off!", as in:
Some-one: He sold the car -- he got EUR 4,000 for it.
Me: **** Off!
Now, in my opinion this really has to do with social context. I often hear
the argument, "People who curse are exhibiting their lack of intelligence
and inferior vocabulary.". This makes a little bit of sense to me and in a
professional context, I do strive to find a non-slang word for what I want
to express (for instance, some-one recently referred to my comments as
"vacuous", which is in obvious alternative to "fucking stupid").
I do see the merit in being more professional like this, but the more I buy
into it, the more I see that there really is a use for cursing, it just
depends on the context. I used to post the likes of "This is a farce.", but
really I'm sort-of lying about what I'm trying to express. The phrase "This
is bullshit.", while equally getting the point across, also gives an insight
into my disposition. So I think to myself, if I explicitly, consciously use
"big words" over curses, am I really just being coerced (even bullied) into
expressing myself in a way in which other people will like? I haven't really
decided yet. At the moment, I'm experimenting a little.
I just have to add that when I see other people here curse a little, like
Ron Natalie, who says the likes of "This is retarded." from time to time, it
alters my perception of the group and the whole social context. At the
beginning, when I started posting to such an "upper-class" newsgroup like
this, I was purely in the mindset that, if I were to curse, I'd just be
exhibiting stupidity and immaturity. But now, I'm thinking more along the
lines of expressing myself openly and accurately. Just because I'm a
proficient programmer doesn't mean I've to bare the social stigma attached
to it - that is, that I must be "professional". Also, one does not have to
be "professional" in order to be "intelligent". The film "Good Will
Hunting" tries to conveys this.
Regarding:
I find such a manner of communicating to be very unpleasant. If you
speak like you write then I would be hesistant to work with you.
This is exactly the kind of thing that encourages me to be more
"professional". If we were all to use our own colloquialisms, then the text
in this newsgroup would be unintelligible; as such, we use the common
denominator: "official" English. But the truth of the matter in my opinion
is that there's more to conversation than "official" language. I find that
the odd curse works will to set the tone (eg. light-hearted) and to express
our actual personality openly.
I'm not a hostile person. I won't express unwarranted aggression toward a
person for absoultely no reason. Perhaps what's going on is that people who
are of different social background to me interpret my cursing as "hostile"
and thus interpret myself as "hostile"?
I just think it's better to be professional and to honestly and openly
express yourself, rather than to simply be professional.
-JKop
