move to end, in Python 3.2 Really?

[rantingrick]

And were the hell is Steve Holden? Why has he not weighed in on these
(or any) discussions. He (Steve Holden) is second in command to the
entire community. Yet we have yet to hear a peep from this fella. What
gives Steve?

And if Steve is too busy, who is next in the chain of command? Who is
going to take responsibility for this catastrophe we call c.l.py? Is
there no one is man enough to step up for this community? Are all of
our leaders just sticking their heads in the sand hoping for this to
"solve" itself?

I would really like for some heavy weights to get involved here.

 

[Ethan Furman]

He goes by the name of "ranting rick", and you're suggesting that
instead of talking he rolls up his sleeves and does something.

I suspect you're barking into the wind...

To borrow from Dilbert*, perhaps rr is more of an idea rat.

~Ethan~

*http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/1994-12-17/

 

[rantingrick]

I have nothing directly to do with c.l.p and care nothing for it. I read
the gmane.comp.python.general mirror of python-list, which filters out
some of the worse of the input from c.l.p. I mostly focus on getting
real work done on the tracker and repository and am only temporarily
spending this much time here as a diversion.

Well first of all i want to commend you for your valiant efforts. You
are one the most helpful folks (anoung others) around and i believe
you are a virtuous soul. However, you really should not just write off
c.l.py like you have. Many new users (and old hats) still hang around
here. Sure there is a lot of spam, and some trolling. However, we CAN
take c.l.py back IF some heavy weights will get on board. Please don't
allow c.l.py to become the habitat of vermin due to neglect. Why
should we move to the sub burbs just because these fowl creatures are
polluting our city? We need to run them out of town.

 

[geremy condra]

And were the hell is Steve Holden? Why has he not weighed in on these
(or any) discussions. He (Steve Holden) is second in command to the
entire community. Yet we have yet to hear a peep from this fella. What
gives Steve?

And if Steve is too busy, who is next in the chain of command? Who is
going to take responsibility for this catastrophe we call c.l.py? Is
there no one is man enough to step up for this community? Are all of
our leaders just sticking their heads in the sand hoping for this to
"solve" itself?

There's no chain of command here, genius. It's a mailing list.

Geremy Condra

 

[Grant Edwards]

There's no chain of command here, genius. It's a mailing list.

And an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup (which has even less of a chain of
command than a mailing list).

 

[rantingrick]

And an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup (which has even less of a chain of
command than a mailing list).

Moderated status has nothing to do with it. The fact is that the
"elite" no longer feel it necessary to care about the troubles of the
Python peasants. This is evident by no posting from GvR for many
years, and no posting from his subordinate (and the PSF chair!) Steve
Holden. The last time Steve and i "rubbed shoulders" was when i
chastised him for engaging in trollish behavior. So now i get it... He
has time for trolling and flaming but no time for real discussion on
topics that concern the very future evolution of this language? hmm.

 

[Gregory Ewing]

The existing list.pop() API is similar (though it takes an index
value instead of a boolean):

pop() is somewhat different, because there is an infinite
range of possible values for the index parameter.

Here there are only two possibilites, though, and it's
unlikely that code will want to dynamically select between
them -- so the "no constant parameters" guideline would seem
to apply.