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Richard G. Riley

Writing "the try of writing" vs. "trying to write" is exactly the kind
of minor error we usually ignore (or at most gently point out) as long
as the meaning is clear enough. The kind of thing we complain about
is specifically the silly little abbreviations that seem to be common
for SMS (short text messages), like "u" and "ur" for "you" and "your",
respectively, along with failure to use capital letters, long strings
of exclamation points, lack of spaces after '.', etc.

I don't believe people use these abbreviations out of ignorance of the
correct words. I think they're perfectly aware that the correct words
are "you" and "your" (or maybe "you're", another minor error that's
generally ignored); they just carry over what might be useful
abbreviations in some contexts and use them here, where they're
insignificantly easier to write and much more difficult to read.

Nobody here insists on perfect English (though it's nice for those who
can manage it). We just ask that people make some minimal effort to
write clearly.

Keith, you appear to be missing a vital point here. I simply dont care
: if someone has a question and I can answer it I will. It is not my
style or need to lecture them on their posting "English".

And in no way do I disagree with gently asking someone who posts
gibberish to try to make themselves a little clearer.

I do support your requests for clear, contextual
content. Abbreviations and capitalizatins are not, however, top of my
hit lists in a programming newsgroup.

We will have to agree to disagree I guess.
 
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Al Balmer

I would assume from my "fully compliant" writing style that you could
guess I am not.

Others are. You dont like it? Ignore. I, however, will reply to who I
please when I please and will make my own judgements on what I deem
suitable communications style from international posters.

Now run along and go bully someone else please.

Bye, now.
 
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pete

Richard said:
Keith, you appear to be missing a vital point here. I simply dont care
: if someone has a question and I can answer it I will. It is not my
style or need to lecture them on their posting "English".

And in no way do I disagree with gently asking someone who posts
gibberish to try to make themselves a little clearer.

I do support your requests for clear, contextual
content. Abbreviations and capitalizatins are not, however, top of my
hit lists in a programming newsgroup.

Most of us make a sincere effort
to express ourselves as clearly as possible, so,
anyone not making a sincere effort to be clear,
is somewhat insulting.
 
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Richard G. Riley

Most of us make a sincere effort
to express ourselves as clearly as possible, so,
anyone not making a sincere effort to be clear,
is somewhat insulting.

Then dont help them. Frankly I dont find your overly short lines
insulting, so why would you find common 'net abreviations so? Anyway
this has been done to death. You, I and everyone else are entitled to
their own opinions and if you want to ignore someone becuase of a
percieved "laziness" in communication styles then go ahead.
 
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Keith Thompson

Richard G. Riley said:
Keith, you appear to be missing a vital point here.

No, I don't believe that I am.
I simply dont care
: if someone has a question and I can answer it I will.

I don't care whether you care or not. I do care. If you don't like
that, *you* can ignore *me*.
It is not my
style or need to lecture them on their posting "English".

I choose to try to help people make themselves understood.
And in no way do I disagree with gently asking someone who posts
gibberish to try to make themselves a little clearer.

Great. So what's the problem?
I do support your requests for clear, contextual
content. Abbreviations and capitalizatins are not, however, top of my
hit lists in a programming newsgroup.

We will have to agree to disagree I guess.

Whatever.
 
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Richard G. Riley

No, I don't believe that I am.

No, really. You are. Admittedly I have no standards to fall back to
verify it though.


I don't care whether you care or not. I do care. If you don't like
that, *you* can ignore *me*.


I choose to try to help people make themselves understood.

By telling them to go away and learn better English? Sure. Whatever.

Great. So what's the problem?

You don't see the difference do you?
Whatever.

Clearly you do not agree to disagree. So no "whatever" really.
 
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Richard Bos

Richard G. Riley said:
If English is your first language.

As someone whose first language is not English, I'd like to insert a
hearty "bollocks!" here.
And I would hope you would give some leeway to someone whose first
language is not English.

I do - for normal spelling mistakes. Not for SMS abbreviations and
junior high punctuation. Not using any capitals is _not_ a mistake, it's
a lack of effort.

Richard
 
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Gerard Flanagan

A. Sinan Unur said:
u shd rd mre if ur bks!

"You should read more if [sic,of] you're books."

"your books". ;-)

[...]
English is a dynamic language. It does change. SMS/IM is driving a
change right now...

Of course, all languages change all the time. However, judging from the
posts in this group, I am happy to say that the move towards SMS/IM
spelling has not completely overpowered other forms.

Sinan



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4663990.stm


Gerard
 
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Richard G. Riley

As someone whose first language is not English, I'd like to insert a
hearty "bollocks!" here.


I do - for normal spelling mistakes. Not for SMS abbreviations and
junior high punctuation. Not using any capitals is _not_ a mistake, it's
a lack of effort.

Richard

The don't answer them. My point is that I dont care. And I will help
if I can regardless of their grammatical faux pas.
 
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Mark McIntyre

If English is your first language.

Take a quick look: this is an international newsgroup. Usenet
nettiquette requires English to be used.
And I would hope you would give some leeway to someone whose first
language is not English.

Sure, but if i can't understand it then I'll ask them to rewrite it.
Maybe you are too important and dont have
enough time to decipher "missing capitals" : I dont know.

I'm not the one you need to worry about. Its the contract maintenance
droid in ten years time, who can't speak to the original programmer
and has to rely on unintelligible comments written in a long-dead
variant of l33t.
Mark McIntyre
 
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Mark McIntyre

My point is that I dont care. And I will help
if I can regardless of their grammatical faux pas.

Thats great. In which case, why did you waste all our time starting
this stupid thread?

You're becoming ever more trollish. Soon you'll be under a bridge.
Mark McIntyre
 
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Rod Pemberton

Richard Bos said:
As someone whose first language is not English, I'd like to insert a
hearty "bollocks!" here.

They both should've said "American English." That's a hearty "bullshit" for
us Americans. ;)

Rod Pemberton
 

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