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[dorayme]

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LOL I have just changed from fixed button positions because of the way they
sat in the corners of huge screens (see long correspondence with orayme
earlier in the thread and see the long correspondence with orayme in previous
years and even previous lifetimes where this poor sad creature tried its best
with many examples to show me things *including having buttons in what it
thought was a nice fixed central place*. It had examples of the buttons
together and it tried to claim that this was convenient! It seemed to think
convenience to the reader was a most important thing! I simply cannot fathom
how a creature like orayme gets its ideas or why it utters them on earth?
Convenience to the user! My foot! What a silly notion! I told it that I liked
the buttons in the corners and it retreated in an emarrasssingly sheepish
way. I bet the efforts it made are still on its servers. It meant well, so I
have nothing against it. I mean, one should exhibit Christian charity towards
all life in the universe, no? The only thing left to me is to put the buttons
together, but I would rather they sat in the corners. The other option is to
have max-width and min width set to the same value (I think) I went through
the jalbum period, but didn't much fancy it.

 

[Jim S]

Sorry.

 

[dorayme]

Sorry.

I forgot to add a <g> Jim!

 

[Jim S]

I forgot to add a <g> Jim!

Thank goodness, although I must be a bit wearing.

I have played with the width setting in my stylesheet so all the pages
ought to look a bit better on your megascreen.
I have also played with the buttons on a few pages starting with this one
http://www.jimscot.myby.co.uk/Local/LH_010_correction_house.html, but
changing them all will take some time if I choose to press on.

 

[dorayme]

Thank goodness, although I must be a bit wearing.

I have played with the width setting in my stylesheet so all the pages
ought to look a bit better on your megascreen.

Not that it matters, but I rarely do so use browsers. And I run a number
of screens (not showing browsers on the same ones each time). But many
windows people do use a full screen I believe. Anyway, the point is to
cater for all as best you can. What you do below is *much much* better!

I have also played with the buttons on a few pages starting with this one
http://www.jimscot.myby.co.uk/Local/LH_010_correction_house.html, but
changing them all will take some time if I choose to press on.

Now, here is a small step you can take to dip your toe in the deep
waters surrounding the safety of tableland. At the very least get the
buttons out of the table, it will be an exercise for you and you will
see how at least not everything needs a table

In your last cell, you have:

<td colspan="3">The cellars below and offices adjacent to Tynemouth
Lodge Hotel, were once the local gaol for minor offenders<br>
<br>
<a class="buttonise" href="LH_000_thumbnails.html"></a> <a
class="buttonise" href="LH_020_governors_tree.html">

 

[dorayme]

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Now, here is a small step you can take to dip your toe in the deep
waters surrounding the safety of tableland. At the very least get the
buttons out of the table, it will be an exercise for you and you will
see how at least not everything needs a table

In your last cell, you have:

<td colspan="3">The cellars below and offices adjacent to Tynemouth
Lodge Hotel, were once the local gaol for minor offenders<br>
<br>
<a class="buttonise" href="LH_000_thumbnails.html"></a> <a
class="buttonise" href="LH_020_governors_tree.html">

Oy! what happened to the rest of my post?

It should have gone on to something like this:

<br>
<br>
<a class="buttonise" href="LH_000_thumbnails.html">▲</a> <a
class="buttonise" href="LH_020_governors_tree.html">&#9658</a></td>

But cut out this last bit - which, btw, has nothing to do with Tynmouth,
cellars, offices, goals, offenders, and end the table.

After this table make a div with the navigation buttons:

<div id="nav"> <a class="buttonise"
href="LH_000_thumbnails.html">▲</a> <a class="buttonise"
href="LH_020_governors_tree.html">&#9658</a></div>

And CSS is simply

#nav {text-align: center}

If you change your mind later and want them left or right, you just
change the wording in the CSS and the whole site will be fixed to your
liking. Does not come simpler than this, Jim.

 

[Jim S]

....

Oy! what happened to the rest of my post?

It should have gone on to something like this:

<br>
<br>
<a class="buttonise" href="LH_000_thumbnails.html">▲</a> <a
class="buttonise" href="LH_020_governors_tree.html">&#9658</a></td>

But cut out this last bit - which, btw, has nothing to do with Tynmouth,
cellars, offices, goals, offenders, and end the table.

After this table make a div with the navigation buttons:

<div id="nav"> <a class="buttonise"
href="LH_000_thumbnails.html">▲</a> <a class="buttonise"
href="LH_020_governors_tree.html">&#9658</a></div>

And CSS is simply

#nav {text-align: center}

If you change your mind later and want them left or right, you just
change the wording in the CSS and the whole site will be fixed to your
liking. Does not come simpler than this, Jim.

Yes that's easy and indeed I can do it for a whole page like this
http://www.jimscot.myby.co.uk/Local/LH_030_Mariners'_Homes.html
if there is only one picture.

If you can show me how to arrange the pictures without a table in the
original page
http://www.jimscot.myby.co.uk/Local/LH_010_correction_house.html
then that would be progress <g>
OR should I abandon tables in some pages and use them in others?

 

[dorayme]

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Yes that's easy and indeed I can do it for a whole page like this
http://www.jimscot.myby.co.uk/Local/LH_030_Mariners'_Homes.html
if there is only one picture.

Not sure why you add the confusing "if there is only one picture.". My
suggestion had nothing to do with how many pictures you had in your
table. Anyway, perhaps I am misunderstanding it. I think you understand
thesuggestion generally about the div for your buttons.

If you can show me how to arrange the pictures without a table in the
original page
http://www.jimscot.myby.co.uk/Local/LH_010_correction_house.html
then that would be progress <g>
OR should I abandon tables in some pages and use them in others?

We went through this ages ago. For now, I would say for you to stick
with tables for laying out your pictures. It is no big crime. Just do
this well. And have the simplest table you can have.

Using so many <br>s is bad practice. Practice doing without them where
you feel the urge to use two in a row! When you get this urge, it is a
sign you should be using an HTML element. A paragraph or a DIV one. You
can still style tables and elements inside table cells and you can still
separate out much presentational requirements via CSS in spite of using
tables.

 

[Jim S]

Yes that's easy and indeed I can do it for a whole page like this

Not sure why you add the confusing "if there is only one picture.". My
suggestion had nothing to do with how many pictures you had in your
table. Anyway, perhaps I am misunderstanding it. I think you understand
thesuggestion generally about the div for your buttons.

What I meant was that if there is only one picture then I can put <div
id="nav"> at the start of the page and everything centralises. If as in the
case below there are a number of pictures side by side AND above and below
it is not so easy (for me)

We went through this ages ago.

It probably went straight over my head at that time (

For now, I would say for you to stick
with tables for laying out your pictures. It is no big crime. Just do
this well. And have the simplest table you can have.

Using so many <br>s is bad practice. Practice doing without them where
you feel the urge to use two in a row! When you get this urge, it is a
sign you should be using an HTML element. A paragraph or a DIV one. You
can still style tables and elements inside table cells and you can still
separate out much presentational requirements via CSS in spite of using
tables.

Yes I understand that but was leaving it until later.

I'll get from under your feet and go and see whether I can find your
earlier post in Google groups.

 

[David Segall]

There are some free slide show programs out there which make creating
such a thing fairly easy. I have used Jalbum for some simple slide
shows before: http://jalbum.net/

I use it too and I thoroughly recommend it but please don't tell
dorayme or any other member of the HTML police in this group. Not only
does it use the sinful tables for layout, it uses frames as well.

If dorayme finds out she will send me for re-education to one of her
Siberian camps. Worse still, she is a movie buff. She has seen "The
Purple Rose of Cairo" and could easily arrange to have me snatched
from my cinema in suburban Australia and dump me for food into
"Soylent Green".

 

[dorayme]

I use it too and I thoroughly recommend it but please don't tell
dorayme or any other member of the HTML police in this group. Not only
does it use the sinful tables for layout, it uses frames as well.

...dorayme ...will send me for re-education ... Siberia...

jalbum is a great resource, a mine of templates, with folk contributing
skins all the time and you can modify your own HTML and CSS with it.

It is not cheap running re-education camps (but, though this is not
strictly on topic, I have found some cheaper facilities in a Western
Australian desert region, a little side deal with an aboriginal tribe -
global economy does not mean you need to forget what is under your nose,
you know). Nevertheless, due to cost mainly, there are no detai...
inmat... crimi... clients who merely use tables to lay out grids of
pictures.