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Pit Capitain
Pat said:
Nice idea, Pat. Best of both worlds. I'll give this a try the next time.
Regards,
Pit
Nice idea, Pat. Best of both worlds. I'll give this a try the next time.
Regards,
Pit
P
pat eyler
Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There's
a lot of gold in them thar blogs -- if only there are enough people
interested in mining it.
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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Maybe it's *because* I'm more than a nuby but less than an expert inDaniel said:I agree that it may just be that I'm not as enthusiastic as I have been,
but I've lost that urge to check the list every few minutes, just to see
if someone has posted something genius.
It's very subjective, so I'm basically asking if you're feeling the
same. You don't seem to, and of that I am jealous
Cheers,
Daniel
Ruby. I discovered Ruby only this year, shortly after deciding that I
wanted to spend the rest of my career programming in R.
Like many, Istarted out by noticing that you couldn't open your eyes without
stumbling across Ruby on Rails, and I decided that it was prudent to
understand how Rails and my lack of knowledge of Rails in particular and
web application design in general could limit my career. In retrospect,
if I had really been interested in learning how to write web
applications, I would have been better off studying PHP. But the
opportunity or motivation to write a web application has not
materialized yet, so instead I focused on learning Ruby.
There is also the "agility" factor. Ruby and Rails seem inextricably
intertwined with the agile movement, and I think splitting the list up
would be a step backwards in that respect.
D
Devin Mullins
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky said:
What... in the spirit of newbies "pairing" with oldbies?
Actually, what if, in an attempt to emulate rotating pairs, we make the
listserv randomly not deliver some messages to some people? That'll cut
down on the amount that everybody has to read, but without being
unnecessarily divisive!
Oh, wait...
Devin
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Gregory Seidman
]
} Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
} blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There's
} a lot of gold in them thar blogs -- if only there are enough people
} interested in mining it.
Well, I'll pimp my own Ruby blog. I only have a very few posts there, but I
generally only post when I learn something really interesting or come up
with a good way of doing something interesting, for varying values of
interesting.
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/
} thanks,
} -pate
--Greg
} Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
} blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There's
} a lot of gold in them thar blogs -- if only there are enough people
} interested in mining it.
Well, I'll pimp my own Ruby blog. I only have a very few posts there, but I
generally only post when I learn something really interesting or come up
with a good way of doing something interesting, for varying values of
interesting.
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/
} thanks,
} -pate
--Greg
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pat eyler
Nice. Do you have a couple of favorite posts from your blog?
Something you'd like the ruby-talk/clr/ruby-forum to know about?
E
Eric Hodel
Please go search the archives for why this list hasn't been split in
the past despite a split being proposed nearly every six months.
G
Gregory Seidman
]
} How about someone post a comprehensive list of "ruby expert" blogs so that I
} can add them to my RSS reader. I may not understand the topics yet, but
} I've found that immersing myself in ruby has helped me quite a bit.
I won't claim that this is a comprehensive list, but I'll give you a few.
First and foremost, there is _why and his Redhanded blog
<http://redhanded.hobix.com/>. In fact, the top post right now includes a
list of quotes from Ruby luminaries with links to their presence on the
web, so that might be the comprehensive list you're looking for.
I also like Ola Bini's blog <http://ola-bini.blogspot.com/>, which is
largely about JRuby.
David A. Black, author of Ruby for Rails, has a blog
<http://dablog.rubypal.com/>, but it isn't as technical as might like most
of the time.
Now, it's up to you whether you want to consider me an "expert" or not, but
the sort of stuff I put on my blog <http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/> is
the sort of stuff I'd like to see from a Ruby "expert."
--Greg
} How about someone post a comprehensive list of "ruby expert" blogs so that I
} can add them to my RSS reader. I may not understand the topics yet, but
} I've found that immersing myself in ruby has helped me quite a bit.
I won't claim that this is a comprehensive list, but I'll give you a few.
First and foremost, there is _why and his Redhanded blog
<http://redhanded.hobix.com/>. In fact, the top post right now includes a
list of quotes from Ruby luminaries with links to their presence on the
web, so that might be the comprehensive list you're looking for.
I also like Ola Bini's blog <http://ola-bini.blogspot.com/>, which is
largely about JRuby.
David A. Black, author of Ruby for Rails, has a blog
<http://dablog.rubypal.com/>, but it isn't as technical as might like most
of the time.
Now, it's up to you whether you want to consider me an "expert" or not, but
the sort of stuff I put on my blog <http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/> is
the sort of stuff I'd like to see from a Ruby "expert."
--Greg
G
Gregory Seidman
07:05AM +0900, pat eyler wrote:
} >[...]
} >} Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
} >} blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There's
} >} a lot of gold in them thar blogs -- if only there are enough people
} >} interested in mining it.
} >
} >Well, I'll pimp my own Ruby blog. I only have a very few posts there, but I
} >generally only post when I learn something really interesting or come up
} >with a good way of doing something interesting, for varying values of
} >interesting.
} >
} >http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/
}
} Nice. Do you have a couple of favorite posts from your blog?
} Something you'd like the ruby-talk/clr/ruby-forum to know about?
[...]
I only have a dozen posts, total, so I could be justified in suggesting
that you just read the whole thing, but I'll point to a few I'm
particularly pleased with:
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/09/simple-flyweight-implementation_26.html
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/07/symbolickeyhash.html
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/05/kernelqualifiedconstget.html
} thanks,
} -pate
--Greg
} >[...]
} >} Anyone want to take that a bit further and post a URL or two for
} >} blog posts that you think should get more discussion here? There's
} >} a lot of gold in them thar blogs -- if only there are enough people
} >} interested in mining it.
} >
} >Well, I'll pimp my own Ruby blog. I only have a very few posts there, but I
} >generally only post when I learn something really interesting or come up
} >with a good way of doing something interesting, for varying values of
} >interesting.
} >
} >http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/
}
} Nice. Do you have a couple of favorite posts from your blog?
} Something you'd like the ruby-talk/clr/ruby-forum to know about?
[...]
I only have a dozen posts, total, so I could be justified in suggesting
that you just read the whole thing, but I'll point to a few I'm
particularly pleased with:
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/09/simple-flyweight-implementation_26.html
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/07/symbolickeyhash.html
http://redcorundum.blogspot.com/2006/05/kernelqualifiedconstget.html
} thanks,
} -pate
--Greg
G
Giles Bowkett
How about someone post a comprehensive list of "ruby expert" blogs so that I
In addition to those already posted:
http://blog.codahale.com
http://weblog.jamisbuck.org/
chad fowler
prag dave
james gray
pat eyler
...honestly the best place to start is probably just to pick posters
who seem intelligent and google them...
In addition to those already posted:
http://blog.codahale.com
http://weblog.jamisbuck.org/
chad fowler
prag dave
james gray
pat eyler
...honestly the best place to start is probably just to pick posters
who seem intelligent and google them...
J
Jeremy McAnally
The Ruby website has some blogs and blog listings:
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/weblogs/
Maybe start there?
http://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/weblogs/
Maybe start there?
M
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Then again, just because someone is intelligent and has blogged aboutGiles said:
Ruby, it isn't necessarily the case that they are a "Ruby expert". I've
certainly blogged about Ruby, but I don't claim to be an expert with it.
In fact, if you go poking around RubyForge, you can see I'm clearly a
rank beginner in Ruby.
G
Gregory Brown
I for one think that's an excellent name. +1
J
James Britt
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky said:Then again, just because someone is intelligent and has blogged about
Ruby, it isn't necessarily the case that they are a "Ruby expert". I've
certainly blogged about Ruby, but I don't claim to be an expert with it.
In fact, if you go poking around RubyForge, you can see I'm clearly a
rank beginner in Ruby.
Often what's more useful than knowing is not knowing.
Some of the best blogs are from people asking interesting questions
rather than making assertions.
--
James Britt
http://www.rubyaz.org - Hacking in the Desert
http://beginningruby.com - Beginning Ruby: The On-line Book
http://www.jamesbritt.com - Playing with Better Toys
M
Martin DeMello
M
Michael Shigorin
Those who have been thanked for useful answer on ruby-talk@,
I guess.
D
dblack
Hi --
That would include me, but I don't want to be put in a special
"experts" category or participate in any kind of stratification of the
community. I really hate all demarcation by levels, ranks, point
systems, and the rest of it. I know why they're done, and why people
like them, but I find them very unappealing. That's actually
something I've always treasured about the Ruby world: we don't label
people "novice" and "apprentice" and "wizard" and all that. We just
talk to each other.
David
--
Q. What is THE Ruby book for Rails developers?
A. RUBY FOR RAILS by David A. Black (http://www.manning.com/black)
(See what readers are saying! http://www.rubypal.com/r4rrevs.pdf)
Q. Where can I get Ruby/Rails on-site training, consulting, coaching?
A. Ruby Power and Light, LLC (http://www.rubypal.com)
That would include me, but I don't want to be put in a special
"experts" category or participate in any kind of stratification of the
community. I really hate all demarcation by levels, ranks, point
systems, and the rest of it. I know why they're done, and why people
like them, but I find them very unappealing. That's actually
something I've always treasured about the Ruby world: we don't label
people "novice" and "apprentice" and "wizard" and all that. We just
talk to each other.
David
--
Q. What is THE Ruby book for Rails developers?
A. RUBY FOR RAILS by David A. Black (http://www.manning.com/black)
(See what readers are saying! http://www.rubypal.com/r4rrevs.pdf)
Q. Where can I get Ruby/Rails on-site training, consulting, coaching?
A. Ruby Power and Light, LLC (http://www.rubypal.com)
M
Michael Shigorin
"A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy" by Clay Shirky[1] is surely
already grokked by everyone involved but I personally stopped
following ruby-talk@, although didn't unsubscribe, since there
are several high volume mailing lists of more importance to me
at the same time as I'm quite rarely developing anything at all.
(so if anyone cares to reply, please Cc: me personally; thanks)
Mind you, I've used mutt for a year or so when subscribing
ruby-talk@, so there wasn't much space left for optimization
already.
This is a very usual story, and to grow, wise listmasters and
"list elders" must know when to split discussion and keep its
volume practically consumable. One might remember one of the
very first major USENET votings on comp.os.linux split[2] not
to reinvent the historic solution to already known problem of
successful and growing projects.
PS: very nice FAQizer which could help those involved in list
maintainership to cherrypick useful discussions and easily put
them into categorized FAQ articles with original thread reference
once was at typo3.org but that was gone[3] since the latest major
site revamp (guess it's just too much trouble to touch the job
so nobody does).
PPS: happy New Year and merry Christmas!
[1] http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html
[2] http://www.tdl.com/~netex/linux-doc-project/install-guide/node47.html
[3] http://typo3.org/documentation/mailing-lists/english-main-list-archive/
R
Robert Klemme
+1
robert