question

[Irrwahn Grausewitz]

There was a C compiler for the C64?? I am going to A) have to get my hands on
it, and B) get my mom to send me our old C64

To satisfy A) http://www.google.com/search?q=c64+c+compiler will
probably help, as for B) ... dunno ;-)

Regards

 

[Dan Pop]

How can you be sure it is a parody?

It's called "sense of humour" and it's very difficult to explain to
someone who doesn't possess it. There is a certain analogy between your
silly comment to Bos' post and the other poster's silly comment to your
sig block and it is very unlikely that this analogy is purely fortuitous.

If it is really true that GWB never
said such a thing, then it's a valid criticism even by itself.

It simply doesn't matter, in context. The statement, either real or not,
is so obviously false that it is pointless to point it out, unless it's
done for a special reason.

Of course, one can't be 100% certain, but a parody is much more likely
than a pure coincidence.

Dan

 

[Joona I Palaste]

In <bmm7gt$ibr$1@oravannahka.helsinki.fi> Joona I Palaste <palaste@cc.helsinki.fi> writes:

(big snip)

It's called "sense of humour" and it's very difficult to explain to
someone who doesn't possess it. There is a certain analogy between your
silly comment to Bos' post and the other poster's silly comment to your
sig block and it is very unlikely that this analogy is purely fortuitous.

My sense of humour may be somewhat lacking, yes, but if I really did
not possess a sense of humour at all, then I would not get *any* jokes
on comp.lang.c, would I? I have a distinct memory of getting some jokes
in the last few months.
Were I responding to some other person, I would take offense at being
labelled humourless, but since this is Dan Pop, I take exception and
remain unoffended.

(snip)

Of course, one can't be 100% certain, but a parody is much more likely
than a pure coincidence.

Somewhat agreed. Both are certainly possible.

 

[Dan Pop]

My sense of humour may be somewhat lacking, yes, but if I really did
not possess a sense of humour at all, then I would not get *any* jokes
on comp.lang.c, would I?

Not every joke requires a sense of humour in order to be perceived as
such. In many cases, a moderate amount of intelligence is enough.

Dan

 

[Joona I Palaste]

Not every joke requires a sense of humour in order to be perceived as
such. In many cases, a moderate amount of intelligence is enough.

Perhaps I should have explained better. Not only have I *got* some of
the jokes, I have actually thought some of them were *funny*.
There is a great distinction between getting a joke and thinking it is
funny. I should know - I've watched Simo Frangén on TV every week for
almost three years.

--
/-- Joona Palaste (palaste@cc.helsinki.fi) ------------- Finland --------\
\-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/
"As a boy, I often dreamed of being a baseball, but now we must go forward, not
backward, upward, not forward, and always whirling, whirling towards freedom!"
- Kang

 

[Dan Pop]

To satisfy A) http://www.google.com/search?q=c64+c+compiler will
probably help, as for B) ... dunno ;-)

Aren't there any software emulations of the C64? I'd be really
surprised...

What really surprised me at this machine was the slowness of its floppy
disk interface: it was about as fast as a Spectrum loading files saved
on audio tape with Quicksave. And, back then, both the drive and the
media were (relatively) big bucks, hence the surogates invented by
Sinclair.

Dan

 

[Joona I Palaste]

Aren't there any software emulations of the C64? I'd be really
surprised...

I can vouch for that there are - I have one myself. Too bad I don't
have the possibility of hooking up a real 1541 disk drive...

What really surprised me at this machine was the slowness of its floppy
disk interface: it was about as fast as a Spectrum loading files saved
on audio tape with Quicksave. And, back then, both the drive and the
media were (relatively) big bucks, hence the surogates invented by
Sinclair.

You can say that again. Disk load speeds were generally a few
kilobytes per minute. Yes, per minute, not per second. I wonder what a
Commodore 64 owner would have said in 1983 or so if you had told him
that in the future people will have disk interfaces that can load an
entire Commodore 64 disk in under one-tenth of a second?

--
/-- Joona Palaste (palaste@cc.helsinki.fi) ------------- Finland --------\
\-- http://www.helsinki.fi/~palaste --------------------- rules! --------/
"And according to Occam's Toothbrush, we only need to optimise the most frequent
instructions."
- Teemu Kerola

 

[Irrwahn Grausewitz]

Aren't there any software emulations of the C64? I'd be really
surprised...

Oh, of course, I got one, runs like PacMan on crack when set to maximum
speed on my PC.
I once started to write one myself, but never got it finished when it
turned out that other people already did the job, and they did it well.

What really surprised me at this machine was the slowness of its floppy
disk interface: it was about as fast as a Spectrum loading files saved
on audio tape with Quicksave.

Actually, IIRC, with the Datasette and TurboTape (the equivalent of
Quicksave) loading files on the C64 was a little bit faster, compared to
a (non-modified) 1541 FD-drive.

And, back then, both the drive and the
media were (relatively) big bucks,

But still much less expensive than an (no pixel graphics) IBM-PC at the
time I bought my first computer...

 

[Irrwahn Grausewitz]

I can vouch for that there are - I have one myself. Too bad I don't
have the possibility of hooking up a real 1541 disk drive...

No problem, google the web for a schematic of an Adapter cable

I wonder what a
Commodore 64 owner would have said in 1983 or so if you had told him
that in the future people will have disk interfaces that can load an
entire Commodore 64 disk in under one-tenth of a second?

And for a downright laughable price, too...

 

[CBFalconer]

.... snip ...

You can say that again. Disk load speeds were generally a few
kilobytes per minute. Yes, per minute, not per second. I wonder what a
Commodore 64 owner would have said in 1983 or so if you had told him
that in the future people will have disk interfaces that can load an
entire Commodore 64 disk in under one-tenth of a second?

It was appalling slow the day it appeared. Floppy disks back then
transferred at about 32 microsec per byte (40 allowing for
interrecord time). That is in the general order of 25 KB per
sec. The major slowdown was intertrack stepping time, which was
in the order of 5 millisec. Hard disks were very expensive.

 

[Dave Vandervies]

It was appalling slow the day it appeared. Floppy disks back then
transferred at about 32 microsec per byte (40 allowing for
interrecord time). That is in the general order of 25 KB per
sec. The major slowdown was intertrack stepping time, which was
in the order of 5 millisec. Hard disks were very expensive.

If I'm remembering correctly, the bottleneck in the C64/1541 disk transfer
speed was the serial interface between them, not the disk-to-drive speed.
(When the C128/1571 came out, they had a "fast serial" mode that took an
otherwise-unused line in the serial cable to transfer two bits at a time
(and double the transfer speed) when they could establish that whatever
was on the other end of the cable could handle it.)


dave

 

[Sheldon Simms]

Perhaps I should have explained better. Not only have I *got* some of
the jokes, I have actually thought some of them were *funny*.
There is a great distinction between getting a joke and thinking it is
funny. I should know - I've watched Simo Frangén on TV every week for
almost three years.

Did you get the joke that Dan's playing on you now?

 

[carl mcguire]

Did you get the joke that Dan's playing on you now?

I was in Finland last weekend and was told "these people do not have a
sense of humour and do not understand your sarcasm", they got their own
back by serving the most expensive drinks in the world.

 

[Joona I Palaste]

I was in Finland last weekend and was told "these people do not have a
sense of humour and do not understand your sarcasm", they got their own
back by serving the most expensive drinks in the world.

That is *NOT TRUE* at all! We only have the *second* most expensive
drinks in the world! It is *NORWAY* that has the most expensive drinks
in the world! I know, I have been there myself!

 

[Irrwahn Grausewitz]

carl mcguire <spamcop-net-abuse@spamcop.net> scribbled the following:

That is *NOT TRUE* at all! We only have the *second* most expensive
drinks in the world! It is *NORWAY* that has the most expensive drinks
in the world! I know, I have been there myself!

IMHO the (potentially) most "expensive" drinks are served in countries
where they send you to jail for serving/consuming alcohol.

 

[Mark McIntyre]

Did you get the joke that Dan's playing on you now?

Problem is, dan famously *doesn't* have a sense of humour...

 

[Mark McIntyre]

That is *NOT TRUE* at all! We only have the *second* most expensive
drinks in the world! It is *NORWAY* that has the most expensive drinks
in the world! I know, I have been there myself!

You're both wrong. There's a bar off the Strand in London thats more
expensive even than Norway...

 

[Irrwahn Grausewitz]

You're both wrong. There's a bar off the Strand in London thats more
expensive even than Norway...

I'll go and buy Norway then. ;-)