Re: CSS for positioning

[Jenn]

Please stop proving how much you don't know.

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God of the
internet. There are other search engines people use, too, and more than one
way to get listed onto a search engine.

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God of
the internet. There are other search engines people use, too, and
more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine on
the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at 85.35%
and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

 

[Jenn]

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God
of the internet. There are other search engines people use, too, and
more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine
on the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at
85.35% and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

My personal site, pqlr.org, is not set up to be indexed. It was just a site
I did for myself and for some friends to view on occasion. These are the
statistics from the Robots/Spiders that have hit my website and indexed it.
The top one to hit it is YAHOO ... Google is second, and I haven't even
tried to get my site out to any search engines. Oh, and btw .. google
managed to find my site without me trying, too.

Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25)
--------------------------------------Hits
Yahoo Slurp --------------------------818
Googlebot --------------------------679
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') --541
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') ----98
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*') -----25
MSNBot--------------------------------- 4
Unknown robot (identified-) --------------2
Ask -------------------------------------2
Netcraft --------------------------------1

 

[Jenn]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Lewis wrote:
Doesn't work. You know how most people use the Internet?
<snip>

If you are not on google, you don't exist.

hogwash!

Please stop proving how much you don't know.

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God
of the internet. There are other search engines people use, too,
and more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine
on the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at
85.35% and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

My personal site, pqlr.org, is not set up to be indexed. It was just
a site I did for myself and for some friends to view on occasion. These
are the statistics from the Robots/Spiders that have hit my
website and indexed it. The top one to hit it is YAHOO ... Google is
second, and I haven't even tried to get my site out to any search
engines. Oh, and btw .. google managed to find my site without me
trying, too.
Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25)
--------------------------------------Hits
Yahoo Slurp --------------------------818
Googlebot --------------------------679
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') --541
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') ----98
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*') -----25
MSNBot--------------------------------- 4
Unknown robot (identified-) --------------2
Ask -------------------------------------2
Netcraft --------------------------------1

[edit- these are the stats for May 2010 so far]

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

...and you continue to do so!

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God
of the internet. There are other search engines people use, too,
and more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine
on the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at
85.35% and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

My personal site, pqlr.org, is not set up to be indexed. It was just
a site I did for myself and for some friends to view on occasion.
These are the statistics from the Robots/Spiders that have hit my
website and indexed it. The top one to hit it is YAHOO ... Google is
second, and I haven't even tried to get my site out to any search
engines. ...

Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25)
--------------------------------------Hits
Yahoo Slurp --------------------------818
Googlebot --------------------------679
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') --541
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') ----98
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*') -----25
MSNBot--------------------------------- 4
Unknown robot (identified-) --------------2
Ask -------------------------------------2
Netcraft --------------------------------1

Those are the stats from the *search engines*. My gawd. They are not
hits from the *people* who come to your site! Don't you understand --
no, you don't -- that the "As of January 2010[update]" statistics above
are for how many *people* *use* those search engines?

The *people* who come to your site will be listed by browser, by IP
address, by country ...

I am not a person inclined to use rude words, but you are trying my
patience with your stupidity.

Oh, and btw .. google managed to find my site without me
trying, too.

You post the link in Usenet, google will find you.

 

[Rob W.]

Op 11-5-2010 18:53, Jenn schreef:

What's you're point? Gigantic websites such as the news links I posted like
msnbc.com, cnn.com, foxnews.com, etc... all use keywords on their pages.

The fact that they are gigantic does not guarantee their quality.

As an american you should know that (hint: cars).

 

[Rob W.]

Op 11-5-2010 19:42, Jenn schreef:

Google is not the most important visitor to your website... your target
customer is.

Google will adapt and crawl your site just fine if you remember to include
keywords within your page and not just in the meta tag.

Your target customer would not be one single individual, would it?
In terms of individuals, Google is probably the most important.

How are all those folks that make up your target group gonna find your
site without Google.
(I know, I know, there are more searchmachines)

 

[Rob W.]

Op 11-5-2010 19:44, Jenn schreef:

No they haven't stopped using keywords. On every site that I posted
previously, they all had keywords and description meta tags. I'm guessing
they don't use those for their health.. right?

Even cigarettes were once considered healthy... right?

 

[Rob W.]

Op 11-5-2010 19:33, Jenn schreef:

Validation may be fine for small hobby sites, but I don't see it as being
practical for gigantic sites with constantly changing dynamic content, imo.

Gigantic sites can be made with a standards-compliant CMS.

You should run your replies through a validator.

 

[Rob W.]

Op 11-5-2010 19:50, Jenn schreef:

I've seen many sites that specifically post in their footer or nav
somewhere... "This site is best viewed with JS enabled" or "This site is
best viewed in 'browser name'. If someone wants to view that site, then
they view it as it was designed to be viewed.

That's like selling American cars in Europe,
with a sticker on the dashboard that says: This car is best driven on a
US highway.

 

[dorayme]

Jenn wrote:

.... [remarks of a non-personally wounding nature}

I am not a person inclined to use rude words, but you are trying my
patience with your stupidity.

And, of course, you have nothing really to do with the matter,
there is some guy with a gun to your head forcing you to reply
and engage with this lady and you greatly resent having to do
this and it is trying your patience because it is not going the
way you want it to go. It is not because you are badly brought up
low skunk of a man.

 

[Peter]

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God of
the internet. There are other search engines people use, too, and
more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine on
the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at 85.35%
and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Here in the UK it's even worse with an estimate of about 95% for all
searches, I believe.

 

[Peter]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Lewis wrote:
Doesn't work. You know how most people use the Internet?
<snip>

If you are not on google, you don't exist.

hogwash!

Please stop proving how much you don't know.

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God
of the internet. There are other search engines people use, too, and
more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine
on the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at
85.35% and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

My personal site, pqlr.org, is not set up to be indexed. It was just a site
I did for myself and for some friends to view on occasion. These are the
statistics from the Robots/Spiders that have hit my website and indexed it.
The top one to hit it is YAHOO ... Google is second, and I haven't even
tried to get my site out to any search engines. Oh, and btw .. google
managed to find my site without me trying, too.

Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25)
--------------------------------------Hits
Yahoo Slurp --------------------------818
Googlebot --------------------------679
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') --541
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') ----98
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*') -----25
MSNBot--------------------------------- 4
Unknown robot (identified-) --------------2
Ask -------------------------------------2
Netcraft --------------------------------1

Yes, the search engines have indexed your site. Probably by finding a
link to it from another site. However, as Beauregard has stated, the
stats you are showing us are for the search engine robot/spiders that
randomly come to your site (in order to index it). They are nothing to
do with how many searches (and hence hits) have been made by users in
order to find your site.

 

[Jenn]

..and you continue to do so!

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God
of the internet. There are other search engines people use, too,
and more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine
on the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at
85.35% and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

My personal site, pqlr.org, is not set up to be indexed. It was just
a site I did for myself and for some friends to view on occasion.
These are the statistics from the Robots/Spiders that have hit my
website and indexed it. The top one to hit it is YAHOO ... Google is
second, and I haven't even tried to get my site out to any search
engines. ...

Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25)
--------------------------------------Hits
Yahoo Slurp --------------------------818
Googlebot --------------------------679
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') --541
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') ----98
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*') -----25
MSNBot--------------------------------- 4
Unknown robot (identified-) --------------2
Ask -------------------------------------2
Netcraft --------------------------------1

Those are the stats from the *search engines*. My gawd. They are not
hits from the *people* who come to your site! Don't you understand --
no, you don't -- that the "As of January 2010[update]" statistics
above are for how many *people* *use* those search engines?

I'm well aware they are stats from search engines. I posted the stats of
Robots/Spiders that actually hit my site. I also have stats from regular
viewers, too, but I did not post those because my point was that Google
isn't the only robot or spider that indexes websites.

The *people* who come to your site will be listed by browser, by IP
address, by country ...

uh huh .... I know all about web stats, but thanks for your input.

I am not a person inclined to use rude words, but you are trying my
patience with your stupidity.

I imagine you are just the type who feels they know everything so you feel a
personal need to force your version of assistance upon unsuspecting people.

 

[Jenn]

Op 11-5-2010 18:53, Jenn schreef:



The fact that they are gigantic does not guarantee their quality.

As an american you should know that (hint: cars).

They are highly dynamic sites that cater to millions of viewers. If those
millions of viewers did not like the quality of the product they would go
elsewhere.

 

[Jenn]

Op 11-5-2010 19:42, Jenn schreef:

Your target customer would not be one single individual, would it?
In terms of individuals, Google is probably the most important.

Many sites do have target groups.. target customer is another term
describing the individual within those target groups. Google is important,
but other factors will also be just as important, such as the idea that
there are MANY search engines besides google, and MANY other ways of
attracting the customer TO the website.

How are all those folks that make up your target group gonna find your
site without Google.
(I know, I know, there are more searchmachines)

Ever heard of advertising? Since you like Google .. have you heard of
Google ads / google ad sense?

 

[Jenn]

Op 11-5-2010 19:44, Jenn schreef:


Even cigarettes were once considered healthy... right?

no .. they were considered in Vogue/cool, etc.

 

[Jenn]

Op 11-5-2010 19:33, Jenn schreef:



Gigantic sites can be made with a standards-compliant CMS.

You should run your replies through a validator.

I did and haven't found one site that had no errors.

 

[Jenn]

Op 11-5-2010 19:50, Jenn schreef:

That's like selling American cars in Europe,
with a sticker on the dashboard that says: This car is best driven on
a US highway.

Not really .. the internet has no borders or boundaries....

 

[Jenn]

Jenn wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
Jenn wrote:
Lewis wrote:
Doesn't work. You know how most people use the Internet?
<snip>

If you are not on google, you don't exist.

hogwash!

Please stop proving how much you don't know.

Google is nice .. and it's a decent search engine, but it isn't God
of the internet. There are other search engines people use, too,
and more than one way to get listed onto a search engine.

Riiight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(search_engine)

"As of January 2010[update], Bing is the third largest search engine
on the web by query volume, at 3.16%, after its competitor Google at
85.35% and Yahoo at 6.15%, according to Net Applications.[6]"

Just to set your mind at ease about who has the biggest share. But
that's not the point. If google doesn't find you, neither is bing or
yahoo or any of the others.

My personal site, pqlr.org, is not set up to be indexed. It was just
a site I did for myself and for some friends to view on occasion.
These are the statistics from the Robots/Spiders that have hit my
website and indexed it. The top one to hit it is YAHOO ... Google is
second, and I haven't even tried to get my site out to any search
engines. Oh, and btw .. google managed to find my site without me
trying, too.

Robots/Spiders visitors (Top 25)
--------------------------------------Hits
Yahoo Slurp --------------------------818
Googlebot --------------------------679
Unknown robot (identified by 'spider') --541
Unknown robot (identified by 'robot') ----98
Unknown robot (identified by 'bot*') -----25
MSNBot--------------------------------- 4
Unknown robot (identified-) --------------2
Ask -------------------------------------2
Netcraft --------------------------------1

Yes, the search engines have indexed your site. Probably by finding a
link to it from another site. However, as Beauregard has stated, the
stats you are showing us are for the search engine robot/spiders that
randomly come to your site (in order to index it). They are nothing to
do with how many searches (and hence hits) have been made by users in
order to find your site.

uh huh!! THAT's why I posted those particulat stats.... I wanted to show
the robot/spiders that have indexed my site, and yahoo is at the top of the
list .. NOT GOOGLE.