Beth said:
The person who is offended defines whether offence was caused, not the
offender...okay, if it was not intentionally, then I offer you my
apologies for perhaps over-reacting in my response...but this was the
impression you gave me by repeating unnecessarily the same highly
abrupt post...
Beth: get a life. Honestly. Without any arrogance of any kind.
Perhaps a little in this case, so apologies for that...but you hardly
make a great case for your side when you consider me "over sensitive"
yet persist in the same unthinking abrupt manner...that makes any
upset you cause _delibrate_ because you are clearly aware that I might
not take this method of response in good spirit but yet you persist to
do it, even now...
Beth. You either learn to listen to what is said or you learn to listen to
what you think about it. It is your choice: to make you life easier or
harder.
Oh, alright...if you insist, you are flawlessly perfect and I was
utterly foolish and "evil" for trying to help you lot out, if
possible...
Again: overreacting.
I came in peace...but, hey, if the policy's "shoot to kill" then,
fine, I'll play dead if that suits you...this is, in fact, what's got
me "overly sensitive"...I came in peace, genuinely intent on helping
you lot out in good Faith and I get it ungracefully thrown back in my
face, seemingly for no good reason that I can see...that, to my mind,
is incredibly _rude_...
Again: overreacting.
I'm hardly over sensitive when I have regular dealings with idiots
like the Sage...but your response was slightly different...unlike the
Sage, _YOU_ clearly should know better...
Again: overreacting.
I had _respect_ for you and
thought you were a reasonable person...thus, when you _delibrately_
are rude,
I was not rude.
you're in a different class...Sage doesn't know better, _you
should_...that's why when you act in this way, it actualy is
upsetting...it's not really "overly sensitive"...it's being sensitive
to those who are _serious_ and _delibrate_ in their rudeness because
I was not rude.
they clearly know far, far better that when they act like someone like
the Sage, it's a whole different class...it's "overly sensitive", it's
that I expected a much higher standard from you than from an idiot
like the Sage...
Again: overreacting.
Okay, you haven't noticed that my postings are all grouped together in
time with around a week "gap" in the middle...hint: I'm not reading
this thread continuously and am posting when I have time to do
so...thus, I have to respond all in one go like this, as I simply was
not even reading the thread in the intervening time...
Ironic, really...you said "get a life!"...and, well, yes, that's
exactly why there was such a delay between postings...in the meantime,
I _was_ doing other things...
I was not talking about delays. Never mind.
Okay, fine...
Note, I know that, on Usenet, you're sort of forced onto your toes at
all times because there are flames everywhere...but, sorry, your
mistake - which is what upset - was that you treated me as though less
than human and not deserving of a reasonable, sensible reply when I
had done nothing to you to justify such a response...
Again: overreacting.
Okay, a sensible policy...really, I was only basically trying to tell
you that in my experience of Sage's postings that I'd found out that
this is the best policy and thought to simply tell you all, as it
might help you all...
I got upset simply because I was trying to _help_...nothing more...and
then got treated with a far more abrupt and rude response than, heck,
even the Sage gets...
Yes. Trying to help repeatedly posting huge posts, basically saying the
very same thing over and over again.
Untrue; I posted originally only to stress to _ignore_ him...I then
did not post for over a week to this thread...when I return, I find
your unwarranted responses - and I deemed them "unwarranted" and
"upsetting" for the exact reason you've just stated...I _was_ being
very friendly and trying to _help_ and nothing more, that snapping
rudely was completely unjustified in my eyes...
I did not snap you rudely. I have asked you not to bring up the thread -
which was at that time sinking - and even said *thanx* if you care to look
at what *I posted*.
and I will tolerate
many, many things but I do _DEMAND_ fair treatment...nothing
OK. If it makes you happy, demand it. I only demand fair treatment from
those who are in an authority position. From the others, I either earn it
or not. Which does not matter much in this case, since you have not been
treated unfairly. But if honesty bothers you, you need to look for
"friends" who lie what you want to hear.
more...just fair treatment, that you seemed to not want to give me,
Again: overreacting.
though I gave it to you unreservedly prior to that - so I responded
with a second batch of posts to respond to these accusations and
general nastiness that I believed that I'd done absolutely nothing to
warrant you doing to me...
Bullshit. There was no nastiness from my side until you have started your
personal vendetta against me. With my "inner eyes" I see The Sage
laughing...
Hardly "possessed"...but, if you want to dispute that point, then we
can, of course, simply count up the amount of responses in this
thread...and then, as I say, note that all my posts are "clumped" in
two or three "groups"...which just represents that I was not totally
glued to this thread...again, hardly "possessed"...
Look at what you write and how long it is. I was trying to give to you an
objective opinion. It is your business if you take it or not.
But I can see how you could possibly have got the wrong idea when you
saw a number of posts from me appear...
I have got no idea whatsoever until I have started you to repeat the same
things over and over again. Each showing that you take this The Sage person
way too seriously and in a way too personal way.
but, you see, I was not
constantly here in this thread throughout its life that I was
responding to the thread when I actually had the time to do so...it
was not delibrate "flooding" of the thread but that because I was here
throughout it all but merely "catching up" every time I got time to do
so, it was all "clumped" together...rather than, say, a post or two a
day or something for a week, you got all 7 to 14 posts in one go...
I see.
Although, I could see how if you didn't notice that this was how
things were happening that you might think I was "flooding"...plus,
also, I can be highly verbose and _am_ able to spit out literally 100s
of KBs of plain text post every day...I'm reknown in the ASM groups
for being able to do this...so, also, I can see that you think I might
have been being "extreme" in my postings...but, well, if you see what
I'm like in the ASM groups or ask the ASM people here, you'll realise
that I was being short, restrained and making only a few
posts...hence, what others consider "flooding" just isn't so to me
because I'm just generally able to produce and receive quite a lot of
text that, sorry, I forgot to hold back even more...the ASM guys are
used to this from me but you lot aren't...I tried to restrain it all a
bit but, well, obviously not enough for your tastes...
5Bs. Be Brief Brother, Be Brief.
No, I merely protest when I find things to be wrong...I don't hide
away in a corner...this is how I am...
Cool. I meant your lengthy posts about The Sage and how he frustrates you.
Yes; And I'll show feelings and emotions and admit my mistakes and so
forth in public too...
Good. Try once facing them and eliminating them. You are not what I see
you to be. You are you. But if you lie to yourself you will not become
what you have lied to yourself, but you will become the lie. Real friends
will tell you if you do that, and will show you the mirrored image even if
you don't like it. Even if you hate them for it. Those who try to cheat
themselves into your trust or do not care - well, those will support
anything you say.
Ask yourself! What is easier? Change everyone on the face of the Earth and
beyond who could deliberately or inadvertently? Or change your view of it
and get over it? Or possibly think about what they have said while puting
preconceptions and assumptions away?
This might take some getting used to because, usually, people switch
into "robot mode" in public and insist on being quite the opposite...I
don't...I believe that, in public, there is no lesser incentive
whatsoever in being honest about things than in private (in fact,
there are more people involved, thus, on strict numerical grounds,
there could even be a claim for _more_ honesty in public, perhaps
...
That is the case then. I am just as honest here (and make a fool of myself
due to that many times) as I am in real life, being alone with someone or
being in a bigger group.
So, yes, I will show these things and do not consider that to be in
any "wrong" or "weak" or anything...I have my frustrations, I have my
insecurities, I have my emotions, I have my opinions...in my opinion,
it would be _dishonest_ to try to pretend otherwise...it's part of
being human and I'm not ashamed to be human and show that I am
human...
But why do you show them? Did you think about that? And why do you get
offended is someone else has an opinion about it?
Short story. I knew a girl, who in the middle of a discussion about a town
or other things just dropped in a comment about someone being raped there.
At the first time it was only odd. After some such comments (within years)
I have got suspicious. It turned out that the girl was raped several times
on a very brutal way. And she told to no one. She could not. But it was
still coming out on odd occasions. And that was just one story. In my
world people expressing their frustrations and opinions about things being
bad are indeed asking to be listened to and ask for help... they just cannot
do it straight.
And I see a pattern here in you being "proud" of being frustrated.
So the reason why I pointed out that it is bad you pay that much attention
to The Sage and his ranting was not to offend you, but to give you an
"outside" - if not objective - opinion.
That is an unusual thing in public forums, perhaps...but I make no
apologies for it...
Neither did I ask for one. It does not hurt me, it may hurt you. If you
choose to be proud of things bad for you, it is your choice. I have made
all I can do: I have told you you could do better.
to be anything otherwise, would be to present to
you a dishonest face of who I am...I'm not perfect...just like
everyone else on Usenet...I'm just not afraid to sometimes hold up my
hands and say "yup, that's me!"...
Yep. But there is another way. Get rid of those things bothering you by a
simple decision that they won't bother you anymore. And get on with oyur
life being happier and more free.
Don't you see the little smiley faces at the end of my sentences and
in my signature
I do. But I also do see you take things way to seriously. No one will type
essays if things did not bother them.
Oh, don't draw any conclusions from the length...really, ask the
people from the ASM groups about that one...I often produce well over
50KB of plain text without batting an eyelid...I am a verbose person
who likes to talk over a subject fully and present my thinking and my
reasoning for the things I say too...
Me too. And I never thought there will be someone else "worse" than me. ;-)
As for my tone, I merely thought it was cautionary at that
point...but, okay, perhaps you somehow picked up "miserable" from
it...charming,
Ah, I bet you tell this to all the boys. ;-)
I must say...but, well, some people can naturally see
through things and pick up underlying currents...
I am one of them. Not always, but being more than 900 years old one learns
a lot. (Referring to my joking about my bad English and really being Yoda.)
I do, on occasion, get miserable about things...
Happens to the best of us. Even me. ;-)
show me someone who doesn't and I'll show you a liar...
but if you picked this up, it had nothing to do with Sage
but was just more "general misery" unrelated to that...also, merely
something temporary...getting out of bed on the wrong side that day,
you know? Nothing of any great concern...
Well, you need to know that. Just be careful not to cheat yourself.
Please, review the postings again...I was not bothering to respond to
Sage at all...and I assure you, the only time I ever do is just to
poke fun at him and nothing else...
Yep. But you were very concerned about others answering him. It looked way
too concerned from the chair where I am sitting.
My attention was not on him but on others who are not aware of what he
is like, in an attempt to make it clear so as not to see anyone made
upset...for instance, as you saw and mentioned, he has absolutely no
qualms about outrightly insulting you with, sometimes, grossly
offensive language...
Yep. But believe me that here there are mostly thinking people (with few
exceptions) and those will see through a troll very fast.
My sole intent was to prevent such upset and to perhaps help to bring
this thread to a swift conclusions
The conclusion is there. There are worldwide experts who posted them. What
is going on now is few people having fun with a pathetic troll.
(because, as you now gather, there's no point
pursuing it at all)...
Not from The Rage.
my attentions were NOT on the Sage _whatsoever_...
my attentions were completely on trying to prevent
the damage that he wreaks on others wherever he tramples...I was
attempting to exercise "damage limitation" around the Sage as he
attempted to cause it, solely for the benefit of others...myself, I
know what he's like and how to deal with him...
I see. Do you care to share what damage The Sage did to you? I start to
see something coming up here...
Though I provoke him to respond in saying this, have you noticed that
he generally avoids ever responding to me? Even if I outrightly
challenge him, he resists...trust me, I know how to kick his arse any
day of the week...all I was trying to do was pass on that information
so that he couldn't get a foothold at all...
He won't. When all the guys will realise that he is pathetic and
boring he will get no answers whatsoever. And he will get lost.
Not really; Your response was the one that seemed to be picking up
annoyance at Sage and then incorrectly aiming it at me...
Seemed. Repeate that.
perhaps because I just happened to be the next post after him you
responded to and were still stuck in "how to deal with the Sage"
mode...
If you think that any of my "angry" replies to Rage were anything more
than me having fun... No. There is no Sage Mode.
He is not close to
that. I know some trolls here who were able to get at me - once. But I
learn.
I ain't responded to the Sage - but to poke fun - and
he doesn't respond to me...
I've seen him do this for over a year intermittently...
his tricks have no effect on me anymore...
Good. But as I see there is still something you hide, something what drives
you to care about what he does and to drive you to bother to explain your
actions.
I think, though it was entirely
unintentional that I apologise for snapping at you for it, it was you
that accidentally picked up some of the way to treat the Sage and then
accidentally and unintentionally it got carried through into your
responses to me...
Not really. As I have said The Sage is just not clever enough to put me
into any other mood than I am in already. Except when he makes me laugh on
his pathetic tactics.
Hey, no sweat...I've done that once or twice myself...you know, should
have taken a breather from writing one post to someone annoying before
replying to someone reasonable, as you can sometimes accidentally
transfer your bad mood from one post into another unintentionally
because it hasn't completely worn off...
It is not the case. I have briefly asked you to not bring up the thread.
Whatever mood you have felt to detect was not there.
now I see that that's what probably happened,
I apologise for myself snapping at you there
because now I see what probably happened...
Nope. It was simply you, taking a communication without a lot of filling as
hostile. It happens, especially to US people. If something is told
straight it is taken as rude.
and it wasn't meant to be abrupt and rude,
it was just unintentionally carrying some of that
from talking to Sage just prior...fair enough...
I did not take it this way either. I was rather see it as overly sensitive
overreaction.
Actually, you _TOTALLY_ describe what I was doing...all except the
"brief" part...and everyone on the ASM groups will probably be
giggling here, as they know I'm entirely incapable of "brief", even
when I try really hard to do so...
Try holding your breath while you type and never make a post longer than a
breath.
There is NO fixation with the Sage...I've not responded to him - but
to poke fun - and he never really bothers responding to me for a long
while now because he knows he can't get at me anymore...
This (IIRC) is at least third time I read this in this post only. I think
there is more to it than meets the eye.
I don't even bother to tell him he's a clueless annoyance,
he already knows...
I don't think he does. I don't think he even knows he ougth to know what he
is.
Ignoring him and not answering his posts are two completely different
things.
but when I saw that he could start his rampage and
damage elsewhere, I thought I would, as you say, post a reminder to
others to keep him from catching out others who are not aware of what
he's like...
OK. Please be assured he will only get any attention here as long as he
amuses people. And he has not too much to offer.
That was exactly what I was doing...the only bit that's different is
that, well, I'm a verbose person...
I say ;-)
I don't do "brief"...and that's not "miserable" or anything...
I did nto conclude it from the size of the posts.
I'm just a Lover of language and don't find
having to write words some terrible, evil chore like some people
do...I like to talk and I am verbose...
#2 for saying the same thing.
and I think this is the real problem here...
Just be sure you don't cheat yourself.
you're not used to me being like that... I'm not used to
people who don't know about this "quirk" of mine because
it's a running gag in the ASM groups that there's just
no such thing as a "concise" post from me
I see.
