RFC - One word alias for require_relative

[Ilias Lazaridis]

This is a simple Request for Comments.

Scenario:

require_relative 'lib/alter'
require 'alibrary'

Some project manager complains about "require_relative", and asks you
to find a one-word alias.

Which name would you select and for what reasons?

Requirements
must:
* one word

optional:
* ideally a 7 letter word

#existent load functionality
load 'alibrary.rb'
require 'alibrary'

locally 'lib/alter' # locally located file
include 'lib/alter' # the commonly known "include" ("collision" with
the "include" used for mixins)
uniload 'lib/alter' # universal load

#one more suggestion

request 'lib/alter' # like require, but uses the path relative to the
current file

..

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

I can only assume that these two pairs of lines being next to each
other is a joke.

There's only one joke:

The processes which guide the evolution of the ruby language.

One could say: "Which processes, there are none."

Exactly, there are none.

And this is the joke.

..

 

[Matt Harrison]

#existent load functionality
load 'alibrary.rb'
require 'alibrary'

locally 'lib/alter' # locally located file
include 'lib/alter' # the commonly known "include" ("collision" with
the "include" used for mixins)
uniload 'lib/alter' # universal load

#one more suggestion

request 'lib/alter' # like require, but uses the path relative to the
current file

You mean like "require_relative" which actually makes more sense than
your suggestions?

 

[Phillip Gawlowski]

You mean like "require_relative" which actually makes more sense than you= r
suggestions?

Especially since "request" sounds to me like "would be nice to have,
but not really important to my core functionality". Syntactic sugar
for rescuing a non-critical LoadError, in other words.

--=20
Phillip Gawlowski

A method of solution is perfect if we can forsee from the start,
and even prove, that following that method we shall attain our aim.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Leibnitz

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

You mean like "require_relative"

Yes of cousre, "require_relative"

which actually makes more sense than your suggestions?

"require_relative(_to_this_file)" in a single word, ideally with 7
chars

This is the topic.

Is it really so difficult for you people to solve a given problem,
even if you personally don't agree that it is a problem?

-

locally 'lib/alter' # locally located file
include 'lib/alter' # the commonly known "include"
uniload 'lib/alter' # universal load

request 'lib/alter' # like require_relative, but uses the path
relative to the current file

one more

relative 'lib/alter' #

..

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

Especially since "request" sounds to me like "would be nice to have,
but not really important to my core functionality".

[...]

I agree.

Additionally, "request" brings up the http request stuff.

So it looks "request" is invalid, too.

..

 

[Matt Harrison]

Yes of cousre, "require_relative"


"require_relative(_to_this_file)" in a single word, ideally with 7
chars

You don't seem to understand that you are arguing against the
descriptive nature of the "require_relevant" method name, yet in your
own words above you use those two words to describe it. This in itself
proves that the method name works, is sensible and suitably descriptive.

As said before, this isn't going to change. If you don't like it, or
your "project manager" doesn't like it, then alias it and be done.

If this really was the requirement of a project manager, I'd hope he
realised he's wasted the resources in having you argue this non-issue.

 

[Phillip Gawlowski]

You don't seem to understand that you are arguing against the descriptive
nature of the "require_relevant" method name, yet in your own words above
you use those two words to describe it. This in itself proves that the
method name works, is sensible and suitably descriptive.

On Ilias:

"[Ilias] soon started posting long tirades where he `proved' that the
CL standard requires various behaviour, while completely ignoring the
detailed rebuttals of his `proofs'. An example is the long series of
articles where he `proves' that merely copying the syntax of #\( and
#\) to, say #\[ and #\] should cause [ ... ] to be legal syntax,
despite multiple explanations by four or more people of why this
cannot work. He has also a number of other strange ideas, mostly
syntactic in nature - for instance he doesn't like the . in
dotted-list syntax, and doesn't understand how the , unquoteing syntax
works, and has argued, again, that the standard implies things that
mean that no implementation is conforming."

And:

"He is obsessed by the minutiae of syntax and apparently uninterested
in actually writing programs - he needs to invent some `perfect'
language before he can do anything, and he's starting with the syntax.
It seems quite likely that he's just trying to avoid doing anything at
all by endlessly fiddling with syntax."

Now *that* sounds familiar, doesn't it?

From: http://www.tfeb.org/lisp/mad-people.html

To cut a long story short: Ilias can't program, won't program, and is
a liability to everyone, particularly his "clients". Until proven
otherwise, Ilias claimed experience in coding is n x 1 year of actual
experience, if that.

--=20
Phillip Gawlowski

A method of solution is perfect if we can forsee from the start,
and even prove, that following that method we shall attain our aim.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Leibnitz

 

[Matthew K. Williams]

As said before, this isn't going to change. If you don't like it, or your
"project manager" doesn't like it, then alias it and be done.

If this really was the requirement of a project manager, I'd hope he realised
he's wasted the resources in having you argue this non-issue.

He's admitted that the "project manager" is a hypothetical one. In other
words, it's a strawman argument. (or more aptly a sock puppet?)

 

[Phillip Gawlowski]

He's admitted that the "project manager" is a hypothetical one. In other
words, it's a strawman argument. (or more aptly a sock puppet?)

Naw, a sock puppet would require Ilias to be clever enough to create a
persona that posts this requirement and/or supports his harebrained
schemes.

--=20
Phillip Gawlowski

A method of solution is perfect if we can forsee from the start,
and even prove, that following that method we shall attain our aim.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Leibnitz

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

You don't seem to understand

[...] - (off-context babbing)

REQUOTE:

""require_relative(_to_this_file)" in a single word, ideally with 7
chars

This is the topic.

Is it really so difficult for you people to solve a given problem,
even if you personally don't agree that it is a problem?
"

It seems that it's just to difficult.

..

 

[Matthew K. Williams]

[...] - (off-context babbing)

This is rude. You don't have to quote it if you don't want, but calling
it babbling? Rude.

REQUOTE:

""require_relative(_to_this_file)" in a single word, ideally with 7
chars

This is the topic.

Is it really so difficult for you people to solve a given problem,
even if you personally don't agree that it is a problem?
"

It seems that it's just to difficult.

You know, this was solved days ago via an alias, but that wasn't good
enough for you. Moreover, you're rude to people.

Enough. Killfile time.

Matt

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

[...] - (off-context babbing)

This is rude.  You don't have to quote it if you don't want, but calling
it babbling?  Rude.

REQUOTE:

""require_relative(_to_this_file)" in a single word, ideally with 7
chars

This is the topic.

Is it really so difficult for you people to solve a given problem,
even if you personally don't agree that it is a problem?
"

It seems that it's just to difficult.

You know, this was solved days ago via an alias, but that wasn't good
enough for you.

alias abcdefg require_relative

This does not solve it, I need the concise word.

 Moreover, you're rude to people.

Of course. I'm rude, and the freak-show that

a) has hijacked the thread at the beginning
b) continues with off-topic comments and start again to become
personal.

those are not rude, but civilized.

Enough. Killfile time.

At least you know how to use filters.

Matt

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[Matt Harrison]

alias abcdefg require_relative

This does not solve it, I need the concise word.

Then this is the wrong list. ruby-talk does not exist to cover prose or
literary matters. What you need is a thesaurus.

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

Then this is the wrong list. ruby-talk does not exist to cover prose or
literary matters. What you need is a thesaurus.

This is the correct list for my request.

What I need is, just a few more professionals with have the ability to
stay strictly in topic, or to shut up.

But I guess I have to give up the hope that some will pop up.

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[Jason Roelofs]

=20
This is the correct list for my request.
=20
What I need is, just a few more professionals with have the ability to
stay strictly in topic, or to shut up.
=20
But I guess I have to give up the hope that some will pop up.
=20
.
=20

If you *want* professionalism, you have to *be* professional yourself, =
something that you very rarely show. This huge thread has given you =
more than what you "need". Come up with something yourself instead of =
trying to waste anyone else's time here.

Jason=

 

[Phillip Gawlowski]

If you *want* professionalism, you have to *be* professional yourself, so= mething that
you very rarely show. =A0This huge thread has given you more than what yo= u "need".
Come up with something yourself instead of trying to waste anyone else's =

time here.

If it wouldn't set a bad precedent, I'd be arguing to simply *ban*
Ilias, nd be done with it. He's gone above and beyond the call of duty
as a troll. He could get the Trollish Medal of Honor, as far as I am
concerned.

As it is, I'm sorely wishing GMail could filter individual messages in
conversation view--disabling conversations isn't a workable solution,
and I don't always have access to an email client, much less one that
supports filtering. Alas.

--=20
Phillip Gawlowski

A method of solution is perfect if we can forsee from the start,
and even prove, that following that method we shall attain our aim.
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Leibnitz

 

[Ilias Lazaridis]

If you *want* professionalism, you have to *be* professional yourself, something that you very rarely show.  This huge thread has given you more than what you "need". Come up with something yourself instead of trying to waste anyone else's time here.

How disappointing.

One more off-topic.

And just *one* (yes, just *one*) in-topic and in-context reply
(suggesting a word) in the overall thread.

A tragedy.

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[Ilias Lazaridis]

If it wouldn't set a bad precedent, I'd be arguing to simply *ban*
Ilias, nd be done with it. He's gone above and beyond the call of duty
as a troll. He could get the Trollish Medal of Honor, as far as I am
concerned.

The "Trollish Medal of Honor" goes to the self-proclaimed "Ruby Talk
Police".

You are the ones which are "trolling" (off-topic, hijacking threads,
personal nonsense, ridiculous and *endless* babbling subjecting an
individuals personal writing style).

But I start to believe that finally this *is* the ruby community
(because until now, I saw only 2 people intervene, with not more than
3 messages).

As it is, I'm sorely wishing GMail could filter individual messages in
conversation view--disabling conversations isn't a workable solution,
and I don't always have access to an email client, much less one that
supports filtering. Alas.

Why don't you simply relay my messages to the trash?

"More actions"
"Filter messages like these"

or

"More actions"
"Mute"

(I write only in my topics, thus it's easy for everyone to place a
filter (based on topic title).)


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[Joe Peric]

Hey everyone.

I'm new to Ruby and finding the language pretty neat.

I think this might help in solving Ilias' problem of finding a word:

enum =3D ('aaaaaaa'..'zzzzzzz').to_enum

enum.each do |word|
puts word + "\n"
end

He can go through each one and find what he likes.

You're welcome.