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Alan Balmer
I used to be able to "whistle up a modem." That was before the fancy
negotiation they insist on now.
I used to be able to "whistle up a modem." That was before the fancy
negotiation they insist on now.
L
Lew Pitcher
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Severian wrote:
| On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:19:30 -0400, Kenneth Brody
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|>Severian wrote:
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|>>ASR33 and KSR33 had "Here is" and "Rubout" keys.
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|>I forget what the "here is" key sent, but the "rubout" sent 0x7f, which
|>was used to "rub out" a character from the punch tape by punching all
|>of the holes.
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| IIRC, Here Is was hardware-programmable; I think by default it sent 20
| null characters, advancing the punch a bit if engaged.
IIRC, on my old ASR33, it engaged a drum that had 'hardcoded' values on it (pins
& holes). The key caused the drum to rotate once, and the drum reader 'read' 20
or so characters from the patterns on the drum. The drum also engaged when the
TTY received a WRU ("Who aRe yoU" aka 'ENQ') character from the serial interface.
[snip]
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Severian wrote:
| On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 12:19:30 -0400, Kenneth Brody
|
|
|>Severian wrote:
|>[...]
|>
|>>ASR33 and KSR33 had "Here is" and "Rubout" keys.
|>
|>I forget what the "here is" key sent, but the "rubout" sent 0x7f, which
|>was used to "rub out" a character from the punch tape by punching all
|>of the holes.
|
|
| IIRC, Here Is was hardware-programmable; I think by default it sent 20
| null characters, advancing the punch a bit if engaged.
IIRC, on my old ASR33, it engaged a drum that had 'hardcoded' values on it (pins
& holes). The key caused the drum to rotate once, and the drum reader 'read' 20
or so characters from the patterns on the drum. The drum also engaged when the
TTY received a WRU ("Who aRe yoU" aka 'ENQ') character from the serial interface.
[snip]
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Lew Pitcher
Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | GPG public key available on request
Registered Linux User #112576 (http://counter.li.org/)
Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing.
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M
Mac
[snip]
Heh. I must be a lot younger than you. I don't remember a time when the
word "gay" didn't mean homosexual, although I have always been aware of
its older meaning, too.
Above, in the text you quoted, I said "gay" because as far as I know, the
flag is called the "Gay Freedom Flag." And I added "homosexual," for
clarification because we have many non-native English readers here, and if
they learned English in a formal school environment, and haven't watched a
lot of American television or movies, they might not be sure which meaning
was intended.
--Mac
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Severian
I was using "gay" in its newer, hipper pejorative sense; i.e., "That
movie was gay."
M
Michael Wojcik
You're older than I thought, since this usage dates back to at least
1925. (The OED gives 1935's "gaycat" as its earliest reference, but
older ones are well-documented; see alt-usage-english.org.) And the
various sexual denotations and connotations of "gay" have been its
most common use throughout its history.
I'm not sure how a word can be "misappropriated" in English, since
there is no English standard to determine how a word may be correctly
appropriated. Usage changes. Those changes may at times be annoying,
but I don't see any rational grounds for calling them incorrect.
Language is as it is used.
--
Michael Wojcik (e-mail address removed)
Pocket #9: A complete "artificial glen" with rocks, and artificial moon,
and forester's station. Excellent for achieving the effect of the
sublime without going out-of-doors. -- Joe Green
C
CBFalconer
Michael said:
Maybe not. I would say the reassignment of gay took place
somewhere between 1950 and 1970, at least in my experience. That
is not to say the usage didn't exist before then. But us
straights used to have a gay old time at the party, flirting with
all those gay young things.
J
Joona I Palaste
Severian said:
AFAIK this "hipper pejorative sense" comes from the meaning
"homosexual" via a simple association: Homosexual => bad, gay =>
homosexual, therefore (via transitivity) gay => bad. The "homosexual"
part isn't so obviously expressed in the context of things that don't
have the concept of sexuality. If this is indeed the correct
association then I take offense at this "hipper pejorative sense".
D
Dan Pop
In said:
That's why ASCII DEL is the only control character with an oddball value.
Could you also "patch" it by punching extra holes with a hand tool?
Our card readers worked by reflection on the back of the cards (and dirty
cards were lots of fun for the unsuspecting users). When I needed
an extra hole, I could draw it with a pencil on the back of the card.
I've never been desperate enough to "punch" a whole card this way ;-)
It's more of an occupational issue. Telex operators may be still using it
today, for all I know...
Dan
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Severian
I apologize. I was being silly, and did not intend to offend anyone.
C
CBFalconer
Dan said:
I have been known to patch a mylar 'paper' tape with an Xacto
knife
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Nick Keighley
Joona I Palaste said:
can't say I blame you, but if usage determines the language then we may
have to live with it. I've heard a 10 yr old use it that sense and
I don't think he realised the sexual orientation meaning. No I don't use
it in that fashion (and don't intend to in the future).
D
Default User
Nick Keighley wrote:
I think you're wrong. They know perfectly well that gay also means
homosexual, how could they not? It's constantly in the media.
If the pejorative version of wasn't connected with the other one, then
why such phrases as, "gay as a unitard"?
Brian Rodenborn
I think you're wrong. They know perfectly well that gay also means
homosexual, how could they not? It's constantly in the media.
If the pejorative version of wasn't connected with the other one, then
why such phrases as, "gay as a unitard"?
Brian Rodenborn
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Alan Balmer
Not yet. The usage is still slang, and not very widespread slang at
that. There's a lot of slang usage that never has a long-lasting
effect on the language.
M
Mac
I used to talk like that, too. But after a few hints from various people
important to me, I grew out of it.
I don't think it's new or hip, by the way. ;-)
--Mac
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Severian
Do I need to add a gay smily when I'm being sarcastic?
D
Dave Thompson
I think you're mistaken about "holes"; my recollection is little
radial "flaps" which can be broken off or not, whose absence or
presence is sensed by fingers under which the drum's effective
circumference turns. Agree 20 chars; triggered by HEREIS key or
WRU/ENQ/^E received; originally from factory and thus if no-one since
"programmed" it all nulls, which produces a convenient exactly 2
inches of blank (except feed hole) punch output.
This was really intended for use in TWX, that is, communication over a
switched network. Such machines were programmed with the abbreviated
name (cable address) of the company/office/bureau/etc. where located.
After "dialing" a call it was conventional to send ^E and check that
the received "answerback" was in fact the party you wanted to send to,
since the (electro)mechanical equipment sometimes got it wrong; and
after sending a long and/or important message it was helpful to get
the answerback again to ensure that there had not been a failure of
the connection or remote machine during transmission.
For TTYs used as a computer terminal it was pretty useless. And in the
next generation of electronic (mostly CRT) terminals, commonly called
"glass TTYs", some of which had answerbacks that could be programmed
by received (from the host) data, it became a security hole and as
such actively harmful.
The >paper-tape reader< on ASR's does use springloaded pins that are
cyclicly allowed up through the holes in the tape, or not.
- David.Thompson1 at worldnet.att.net