Style Police (a rant)

K

kaffel'latte

Derbyshire hiding as thoolen <[email protected]>all the while
asking of -- http://www.kollinger.com/_toons/lonely92.jpg did ask a lot of
questions with:
On 19/09/2011 8:58 AM, "kaffel'latte", an obvious murphy sock, wrote:
NaN> Derbyshire having a wee chat to hisselv did post in

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

Who is " murphy", Derbyshire?
And what is "hisselv", murphy, and what does it have to do
with Java?
Pretending to know the code runs for your script kiddee runs is
very relevant to the newsgroup diversions you post, Derbyshire.
"hisselv" is Mongolian engrish for the first person. Your education
that devoid of worldly knowledge?
What does your URL have to do with Java, murphy?
ahhh. *that* you will get to find out in due course.
Why is there a RCMP unit watching your trailer?
NaN> training gerbils?

What does your training have to do with Java, murphy? Have you mastered
making the little wheel in your terrarium spin yet, murphy?
Project much? Oh Yes, continually. Usually in thousand line rants.
NaN> you left off your list;

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy? That list is yours, murphy, not Cthun's; it is a monument to
your vast and unfathomable paranoia.
Do point at any proof there is a missing name of "murphy".

FYI.
It is the naive who approach Usenet with a concept of anonymity
as protection around the intent to disrupt. Paranoia for them comes
later, too late in many instances. You Master Derbyshire are a prime example of
that stupidity.

NaN> and that work on your trailer park.

What does your unsubstantiated claim regarding Cthun have to do with
Java, murphy?
Almost set in stone is the attribute of low self esteem owned by
the common <i>rodentis trollis maximus</i>. Well earned is the lame "trailer park
trash" for which that broken Winnebago is pretty much symbolic of all you
post in your insane desire to be wanted by the folks you believe have code skills
which challenge your empty taunts.

What is not known yet is how the Pembroke community will handle
knowing your Usenet activity. The print press grinds slowly but inevitably.
do put some thought to how the superintendent at IBGC will view your activity
knowing you are in fact quite insane.
What does your URL have to do with Java, murphy?

"I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor
to provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered
subscription based Free Usenet access, nothing more than
cooperation expected in return for what has been many
thousands of hours of work. I note most of those I joined with
are either deceased, severely disabled, or plain ole' MIA..
now it is my Time. ...

You just read my last. ...

For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish
you severe Tinnitus in your dreams. For those who know me
well (eMail, whatever) and see me, know I will be smiling also.
It is to you I say "adieu mein frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs]
for all the Good Times! May you and yours always bear well
with all Life brings you".

/0ut"
--murphy

And people wonder why I call them Famous Last Words.

Having read that post it is noted you selectivity edit to reach
your point of speculation

"My first post as "murphy".
MID: <[email protected]>
You just read my last."

It is very obvious from murphy's first post to see that poster is
a "helper". What happened to turn the poster off, Derbyshire?
Do tell. You threatened murphy with one of your kootSoots?

Ironic as your closing line is too a lie.
Master Derbyshire demands the last word.
It is your trademark - now, deliver it.
 
T

thoolen

On 19/09/2011 5:05 PM, "kaffel'latte", an obvious murphy sock, wrote:
NaN> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer

NaN> Derbyshire hiding as thoolen <[email protected]> all the while
NaN> asking of --

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

What does your URL have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> did ask a lot of questions with:

What does that have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> Who is " murphy", Derbyshire?

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> Pretending to know the code runs for your script kiddee runs is
NaN> very relevant to the newsgroup diversions you post, Derbyshire.

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> "hisselv" is Mongolian engrish for the first person.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition that
comp.lang.java.programmer is a Mongolian-language newsgroup have to do
with Java, murphy?

NaN> Your education that devoid of worldly knowledge?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition of a question have to do
with Java, murphy? A standard Western education up to and including a
Ph.D in astronomy does not include Mongolian language studies, murphy.

NaN> ahhh. *that* you will get to find out in due course.

What does your vague threat have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> Why is there a RCMP unit watching your trailer?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition of a question have to do
with Java, murphy? I don't know who lives in that trailer you dug up a
picture of in Google Street View, murphy, but it certainly isn't me, and
if you've filed false police complaints against its inhabitants, murphy,
there are likely to be consequences. For you, murphy.

If you are lucky, murphy, they will realize you're a paranoid
schizophrenic, haul you to a mental hospital, and get you the treatment
you desperately need.

If you are unlucky, murphy, they'll simply arrest you and charge you
with misdemeanor obstruction of justice. You'll probably get off with
only a fairly hefty fine, murphy, but if it's a repeat offense, and
given your paranoia and already-demonstrated flooding of ISP admins with
huge volumes of repeated false complaints that seems fairly likely, you
could get jail time, murphy.

NaN> Project much? Oh Yes, continually. Usually in thousand line rants.

What do your ironic classic erroneous presupposition of a question and
ironic classic unsubstantiated claim of an answer have to do with Java,
murphy? You just recently bombarded twelve newsgroups with multiposted
copies of a thousand line rant yourself, murphy, including posting two
copies in rec.arts.sf.tv alone, whereas I do not rant at all. This isn't
even a case of the pot calling the kettle black, murphy; more like the
pot calling the fire engine black.

NaN> Do point at any proof there is a missing name of "murphy".

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy? I didn't claim that you should be *on* your list, murphy, only
that you created it. Still suffering from reading comprehension
problems, murphy?

NaN> FYI.

Classic ambiguity.

NaN> It is the naive who approach Usenet with a concept of anonymity
NaN> as protection around the intent to disrupt.

What does your naivete have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> Paranoia for them comes later, too late in many instances.

What does the timing of the onset of your paranoia have to do with Java,
murphy?

NaN> You Master Derbyshire are a prime example of that stupidity.

Who is "Master Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias. However, the previous two sentences describe you very
well -- paranoid and hiding behind a mask of ever-changing nyms -- so
perhaps you are "Master Derbyshire", murphy. Certainly that is what the
evidence indicates.

NaN> Almost set in stone is the attribute of low self esteem owned by
NaN> the common <i>rodentis trollis maximus</i>.

What is "rodentis trollis maximus", murphy? There is nothing in any
field guide, encyclopedia, or taxonomic Web site with that Latin name.
And if there was I highly doubt it would have anything to do with Java,
murphy.

NaN> Well earned is the lame "trailer park trash" for which that
NaN> broken Winnebago is pretty much symbolic of all you post

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy?

NaN> in your insane desire to be wanted by the folks you believe have
NaN> code skills which challenge

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy?

NaN> your empty taunts.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy?

NaN> What is not known yet is how the Pembroke community will handle
NaN> knowing your Usenet activity.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy?

NaN> The print press grinds slowly but inevitably.

What does that have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> do put some thought to how the superintendent at IBGC will view your
NaN> activity

What is "IBGC", murphy, and what does it have to do with Java?

NaN> knowing you are in fact quite insane.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy?

NaN> Having read that post it is noted you selectivity edit to reach your
NaN> point of speculation

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with Java, murphy?

NaN> "My first post as "murphy".
NaN> MID: <[email protected]>
NaN> You just read my last."

Famous Last Words. Also somewhat erroneous, since you just posted as
"kaffel'atte", not as "murphy", murphy.

NaN> It is very obvious from murphy's first post to see that poster is a
NaN> "helper".

What does your claim have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> What happened to turn the poster off, Derbyshire?

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> Do tell.

What does your directive have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> You threatened murphy with one of your kootSoots?

What are "kootSoots", murphy, and what do they have to do with Java?

NaN> Ironic as your closing line is too a lie.

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with Java, murphy?

NaN> Master Derbyshire demands the last word.

Who is "Master Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

NaN> It is your trademark - now, deliver it.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy? I have no trademarks, murphy, common law or registered. Still
suffering from hallucinations, murphy?

"I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor
to provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered
subscription based Free Usenet access, nothing more than
cooperation expected in return for what has been many
thousands of hours of work. I note most of those I joined with
are either deceased, severely disabled, or plain ole' MIA..
now it is my Time. ...

You just read my last. ...

For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish
you severe Tinnitus in your dreams. For those who know me
well (eMail, whatever) and see me, know I will be smiling also.
It is to you I say "adieu mein frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs]
for all the Good Times! May you and yours always bear well
with all Life brings you".

/0ut"
--murphy

http://www.uffnet.com/kookkamp/goodbye.htm

And people wonder why I call them Famous Last Words.

P.S. You forgot to include a copy of your famous paranoid "Lits 'o Haet"
in your post, murphy. Still suffering from memory problems, murphy?
 
K

kaffel'latte

Derbyshire - hiding as thoolen <[email protected]> did
foam bigtime in abandoned paranoia posting as spew:
%%On 19/09/2011 5:05 PM, "kaffel'latte", an obvious murphy sock, wrote:
%%% Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer
%%
%%% Derbyshire hiding as thoolen <[email protected]%% all the while
%%% asking of --
%%
%%Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
%%that alias.
%%
%%What does your URL have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% did ask a lot of questions with:
%%
%%What does that have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% Who is " murphy", Derbyshire?
%%
%%Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
%%that alias.
%%
%%% Pretending to know the code runs for your script kiddee runs is
%%% very relevant to the newsgroup diversions you post, Derbyshire.
%%
%%Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
%%that alias.
%%
%%% "hisselv" is Mongolian engrish for the first person.
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition that
%%comp.lang.java.programmer is a Mongolian-language newsgroup have to do
%%with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% Your education that devoid of worldly knowledge?
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition of a question have to do
%%with Java, murphy? A standard Western education up to and including a
%%Ph.D in astronomy does not include Mongolian language studies, murphy.
%%
%%% ahhh. *that* you will get to find out in due course.
%%
%%What does your vague threat have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% Why is there a RCMP unit watching your trailer?
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition of a question have to do
%%with Java, murphy? I don't know who lives in that trailer you dug up a
%%picture of in Google Street View, murphy, but it certainly isn't me, and
%%if you've filed false police complaints against its inhabitants, murphy,
%%there are likely to be consequences. For you, murphy.
%%
%%If you are lucky, murphy, they will realize you're a paranoid
%%schizophrenic, haul you to a mental hospital, and get you the treatment
%%you desperately need.
%%
%%If you are unlucky, murphy, they'll simply arrest you and charge you
%%with misdemeanor obstruction of justice. You'll probably get off with
%%only a fairly hefty fine, murphy, but if it's a repeat offense, and
%%given your paranoia and already-demonstrated flooding of ISP admins with
%%huge volumes of repeated false complaints that seems fairly likely, you
%%could get jail time, murphy.
%%
%%% Project much? Oh Yes, continually. Usually in thousand line rants.
%%
%%What do your ironic classic erroneous presupposition of a question and
%%ironic classic unsubstantiated claim of an answer have to do with Java,
%%murphy? You just recently bombarded twelve newsgroups with multiposted
%%copies of a thousand line rant yourself, murphy, including posting two
%%copies in rec.arts.sf.tv alone, whereas I do not rant at all. This isn't
%%even a case of the pot calling the kettle black, murphy; more like the
%%pot calling the fire engine black.
%%
%%% Do point at any proof there is a missing name of "murphy".
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy? I didn't claim that you should be *on* your list, murphy, only
%%that you created it. Still suffering from reading comprehension
%%problems, murphy?
%%
%%% FYI.
%%
%%Classic ambiguity.
%%
%%% It is the naive who approach Usenet with a concept of anonymity
%%% as protection around the intent to disrupt.
%%
%%What does your naivete have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% Paranoia for them comes later, too late in many instances.
%%
%%What does the timing of the onset of your paranoia have to do with Java,
%%murphy?
%%
%%% You Master Derbyshire are a prime example of that stupidity.
%%
%%Who is "Master Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup
%%using that alias. However, the previous two sentences describe you very
%%well -- paranoid and hiding behind a mask of ever-changing nyms -- so
%%perhaps you are "Master Derbyshire", murphy. Certainly that is what the
%%evidence indicates.
%%
%%% Almost set in stone is the attribute of low self esteem owned by
%%% the common <i%%rodentis trollis maximus</i%%.
%%
%%What is "rodentis trollis maximus", murphy? There is nothing in any
%%field guide, encyclopedia, or taxonomic Web site with that Latin name.
%%And if there was I highly doubt it would have anything to do with Java,
%%murphy.
%%
%%% Well earned is the lame "trailer park trash" for which that
%%% broken Winnebago is pretty much symbolic of all you post
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy?
%%
%%% in your insane desire to be wanted by the folks you believe have
%%% code skills which challenge
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy?
%%
%%% your empty taunts.
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy?
%%
%%% What is not known yet is how the Pembroke community will handle
%%% knowing your Usenet activity.
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy?
%%
%%% The print press grinds slowly but inevitably.
%%
%%What does that have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% do put some thought to how the superintendent at IBGC will view your
%%% activity
%%
%%What is "IBGC", murphy, and what does it have to do with Java?
%%
%%% knowing you are in fact quite insane.
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy?
%%
%%% Having read that post it is noted you selectivity edit to reach your
%%% point of speculation
%%
%%What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
%%with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% "My first post as "murphy".
%%% MID: <[email protected]%%
%%% You just read my last."
%%
%%Famous Last Words. Also somewhat erroneous, since you just posted as
%%"kaffel'atte", not as "murphy", murphy.
%%
%%% It is very obvious from murphy's first post to see that poster is a
%%% "helper".
%%
%%What does your claim have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% What happened to turn the poster off, Derbyshire?
%%
%%Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
%%that alias.
%%
%%% Do tell.
%%
%%What does your directive have to do with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% You threatened murphy with one of your kootSoots?
%%
%%What are "kootSoots", murphy, and what do they have to do with Java?
%%
%%% Ironic as your closing line is too a lie.
%%
%%What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
%%with Java, murphy?
%%
%%% Master Derbyshire demands the last word.
%%
%%Who is "Master Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup
%%using that alias.
%%
%%% It is your trademark - now, deliver it.
%%
%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
%%murphy? I have no trademarks, murphy, common law or registered. Still
%%suffering from hallucinations, murphy?
%%
%% "I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor
%% to provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered
%% subscription based Free Usenet access, nothing more than
%% cooperation expected in return for what has been many
%% thousands of hours of work. I note most of those I joined with
%% are either deceased, severely disabled, or plain ole' MIA..
%% now it is my Time. ...
%%
%% You just read my last. ...
%%
%% For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish
%% you severe Tinnitus in your dreams. For those who know me
%% well (eMail, whatever) and see me, know I will be smiling also.
%% It is to you I say "adieu mein frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs]
%% for all the Good Times! May you and yours always bear well
%% with all Life brings you".
%%
%% /0ut"
%% --murphy
%%
%%http://www.uffnet.com/kookkamp/goodbye.htm
%%


oH dear. A k00k relying on a k00k's foamage.
How surprising is that. Not.


%%And people wonder why I call them Famous Last Words.
%%


Indeed. Reads as a loop.


%%P.S. You forgot to include a copy of your famous paranoid "Lits 'o Haet"
%%in your post, murphy. Still suffering from memory problems, murphy?

You deny informing us all just who this "murphy"
is, Derbyshire.
Do you not know? Is that the problem?
Why do you fear that poster so, Derbyshire. It is
just a name, a well reputed name, but a name
nonetheless!
oH Dear. And so transparent a poster, easily
mimed LOL

List? Which list? There are a few to choose from.
You really believe you are so important you warrant
munging Google archives with lists!
Fix that outlook, Spammer.

Do tell us what it is you do in the Elgin St.
forest, Derbyshire.
You carry a trenching shovel to that place, is
this where murphy is buried?
If not, who is?

The best you are capable of is a mime of
"tholen the OS2 kook" in using that lame followup to.
How debilitating that has to be for you, the
original Spock spook of fantasy columns everywhere.

Time for you to dive under the blanket?
BOO!!
 
B

blmblm

[ snip ]
This is important. If you advocate code re-use, it follows that
you advocate spending more time maintaining and less originating. If
your preferences run the other way, you are not re-using enough code.

When I was young (shovelling coal into the furnaces of the early
steam-powered computers, and leering lasciviously at Lovelace), memory
was short and CPU cycles long: Both were scarce and hence expensive.
Programmer labor (sometimes called human labor, but that's debatable)
was cheap in comparison. The product of that labor was therefore also
cheap, easy to discard and re-write. "Re-doing it better" was laudable.

But memories have grown and CPU cycles have shrunk. I recall a
machine whose time was billed at $100/hour, during which time it could
perform maybe 0.3 billion instructions (if it never had to wait for
I/O and there wasn't too much floating-point in the mix). Today's
machines can get through 0.3 billion instructions in a second or two:
That's more than three decimal orders of magnitude faster. That same
machine deployed 1/8 MB of memory; nowadays even a bare-bones El Cheapo
laptop has 2 GB, four decimal orders of magnitude more. And the old
machine cost maybe $500,000 instead of $700 (which is about $125 in
1970 dollars), for another three-plus decimal orders of magnitude
improvement.

Meanwhile, the appetite for code -- the demand for programmer
output -- has risen, and although the supply of programmer labor has
increased and the tools of programmer productivity have improved, they
have not kept pace with demand. The balance is reversed: Programmer
time is scarce and expensive, CPU time and memory are plentiful and
cheap.

So if you want to produce software cost-effectively, it follows
that you *must* re-use existing code. And if you must re-use code,
it follows that you must maintain it -- and the really cost-effective
programmer, the one who will get to market first and with lower
overheads than the competition, will be the one who writes *no*
original code at all. It's too slow and expensive, and too last
millennium.

Ponder this, while thinking about the average Computer Science
curriculum. "Students, today you will implement an AVL tree." Bah!

Well, yes, but .... You don't think there's pedagogical value
in having students reinvent some fairly basic wheels? (I'm a bit
uncertain myself -- it's hard not to think that every programmer
should do some of these basic things *ONCE*, since otherwise there's
some basic understanding that's lost, but then again the knowledge
base keeps expanding, and expanding, and maybe these days it really
is so much more important to know how to use the building blocks
than to create them that nothing is gained by making sure you *know*
how to create them.)
 
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Eric Sosman

[...]
Ponder this, while thinking about the average Computer Science
curriculum. "Students, today you will implement an AVL tree." Bah!

Well, yes, but .... You don't think there's pedagogical value
in having students reinvent some fairly basic wheels? (I'm a bit
uncertain myself -- it's hard not to think that every programmer
should do some of these basic things *ONCE*, since otherwise there's
some basic understanding that's lost, but then again the knowledge
base keeps expanding, and expanding, and maybe these days it really
is so much more important to know how to use the building blocks
than to create them that nothing is gained by making sure you *know*
how to create them.)

"Students, today you will build computers. At each lab bench
you'll find a pile of sand and a furnace ..."
 
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Andreas Leitgeb

Eric Sosman said:
"Students, today you will build computers. At each lab bench
you'll find a pile of sand and a furnace ..."

Today's cooking lesson: How to make a Wienerschnitzel:
You go to the grocery, buy a package of "Wienerschnitzel with salad".
At home you open the package, put the Wienerschnitzel into the microwave,
put the packaged salad in a bowl and add water. All the other ingredients
are already included in the package...
 
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Arved Sandstrom

On 11-09-20 08:28 AM, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
[ SNIP ]
Well, yes, but .... You don't think there's pedagogical value
in having students reinvent some fairly basic wheels? (I'm a bit
uncertain myself -- it's hard not to think that every programmer
should do some of these basic things *ONCE*, since otherwise there's
some basic understanding that's lost, but then again the knowledge
base keeps expanding, and expanding, and maybe these days it really
is so much more important to know how to use the building blocks
than to create them that nothing is gained by making sure you *know*
how to create them.)
There are knowledge bases and then there are knowledge bases. In one
very real sense the knowledge base that's really exploding is primarily
applications. It's not fundamental knowledge. When I learn a new
language, or a new version of Java EE, or how a different ECM does
records management, or how a new web framework works, or the nooks and
crannies of a new datastore (whether an RDBMS or NoSQL), etc etc etc,
it's no different than saying that a music or film critic has to keep on
learning an ever expanding corpus of songs or movies. It's knowledge,
sure, but it's not fundamental.

Fundamental knowledge for me, in our profession, is computer science,
the best of software engineering thought, and the domain knowledge that
is applicable to the businesses you serve. All the rest of it, the kind
of stuff I mention a few examples of above, is just knowledge of tools
and techniques. In the big scheme of things most of that stuff is ephemeral.

So I'm partial to the idea that developers should still spend serious
time on basics. An hour spent learning about sorting will be valuable
forever; an hour spent figuring out some weirdness of Java EE App
Destroyer 10.5.2.3 Fixpack 1414 may be of considerable value if it gets
that application deployed in time for the release date, but the scope
and lifetime of its value is pretty limited.

I keep on running into situations where it's been useful/essential to
obtain source and debug down into the guts of dozens of libraries - C,
Perl, C++, Java, C#, you name it - that I've used in my career. Or you
have to hand edit generated artifacts that are flat out wrong. Sometimes
you don't have source and have to decompile, if possible. Point being,
you'll never be able to rely on black box building blocks, not 100
percent of the time.

To adapt old military precepts concerning intent and ability, you have
to have some decent awareness of what's happening two levels down and
two levels up. You'll operate 90+ percent of the time at a certain level
of the technology stack, but if that is *all* you know about, then
sooner or later you are going to be in trouble.

AHS
 
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thoolen

On 19/09/2011 8:45 PM, "kaffel'latte", an obvious murphy sock, wrote:
NaN> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer

NaN> Derbyshire - hiding as thoolen <[email protected]> did foam
NaN> bigtime in abandoned paranoia posting as spew:

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias. And what do your paranoia, your foam, and your spew have to
do with Java, murphy?

NaN> oH dear. A k00k relying on a k00k's foamage.

What does your relying on a k00k's foamage have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> How surprising is that. Not.

What does your lack of surprise have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> Indeed. Reads as a loop.

What does your tendency towards repetition have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> You deny informing us all just who this "murphy" is, Derbyshire.

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> Do you not know?

What does your question have to do with Java, murphy?

What does your ironic use of anonymity while demanding others post
non-anonymously and trying to unmask anonymous users have to do with
Java, murphy?

NaN> Is that the problem?

What does your classic erroneous presupposition of a question have to do
with Java, murphy? The only problem here is you, murphy.

NaN> Why do you fear that poster so, Derbyshire.

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> It is just a name, a well reputed name, but a name nonetheless!

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with Java, murphy? Your name is not at all well reputed, murphy, because
you are not at all well reputed, murphy. You are a trolling, off-topic,
noncontributing, potty-mouthed deadweight loss of bandwidth on the 'net,
murphy, and the sooner you are permanently offline, the better.

NaN> oH Dear. And so transparent a poster, easily mimed LOL

What does your amusement at your own childish antics have to do with
Java, murphy?

NaN> List? Which list? There are a few to choose from.

What does your question have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> You really believe you are so important you warrant munging Google
NaN> archives with lists!

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy? It is you who believes I am so important as to warrant your
multiposting your trademarked Lits o' Haet all over usenet where it is
off-topic, murphy.

NaN> Fix that outlook, Spammer.

Who is "Spammer", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias.

NaN> Do tell us what it is you do in the Elgin St. forest, Derbyshire.

Who is "Derbyshire", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> You carry a trenching shovel to that place, is this where murphy is
buried?

What does your unsubstantiated and erroneous allegation of murder on
Derbyshire's part have to do with Java, murphy? Of course, the fact that
you continue to post from behind an ever-shifting nym establishes
clearly that your allegation is a false one, murphy, as if it were
accurate you would be in no condition to continue polluting cljp.

NaN> If not, who is?

What does your unsubstantiated presupposition that Derbyshire is a
murderer have to do with Java, murphy?

NaN> The best you are capable of is a mime of "tholen the OS2 kook" in
using
NaN> that lame followup to.

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with Java,
murphy? And who is "tholen the OS2 kook", murphy? There is nobody in
this newsgroup using that alias.

NaN> How debilitating that has to be for you, the original Spock spook of
NaN> fantasy columns everywhere.

Who is "the original Spock spook", murphy? There is nobody in this
newsgroup using that alias.

NaN> Time for you to dive under the blanket?

What does your inappropriate question have to do with Java, murphy?
There are singles newsgroups, murphy, though I doubt that that kind of
invitation directed at a complete stranger will be well-received in any
of them, murphy.

NaN> BOO!!

What does your childishness have to do with Java, murphy?

"I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor
to provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered
subscription based Free Usenet access, nothing more than
cooperation expected in return for what has been many
thousands of hours of work. I note most of those I joined with
are either deceased, severely disabled, or plain ole' MIA..
now it is my Time. ...

You just read my last. ...

For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish
you severe Tinnitus in your dreams. For those who know me
well (eMail, whatever) and see me, know I will be smiling also.
It is to you I say "adieu mein frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs]
for all the Good Times! May you and yours always bear well
with all Life brings you".

/0ut"
--murphy

http://www.uffnet.com/kookkamp/goodbye.htm

And people wonder why I call them Famous Last Words.

P.S. You forgot to include a copy of your famous paranoid "Lits 'o Haet"
in your post, murphy. Still suffering from memory problems, murphy?
 
J

Joe Attardi

None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.

Holy cow! This guy hasn't changed one bit (except a new fake name, I
see). Paul Derbyshire! It's been years! Still trolling well, I see.
 
T

thoolen

On 23/09/2011 1:54 PM, Joe Attardi wrote:
1> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer

1> Holy cow! This guy hasn't changed one bit (except a new fake name, I
1> see).

What does your pontification have to do with Java, Attardi?

1> Paul Derbysh!re! It's been years!

Who is "Paul Derbysh!re", Attardi? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

1> Still trolling well, I see.

What does your trolling have to do with Java, Attardi?
 
T

tholen

88> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

88> What does your pontification have to do with Java, Attardi?

Rather ironic that you should suddenly show any interest in
relevance to the newsgroup, "thoolen".

88> Who is "Paul Derbysh!re", Attardi? There is nobody in this
newsgroup
88> using that alias.

Present tense "using"; what about the past tense "used", "thoolen"?

88> What does your trolling have to do with Java, Attardi?

Rather ironic that you should suddenly show any interest in
relevance to the newsgroup, "thoolen".
 
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thoolen

On 24/09/2011 5:58 AM, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
/!\> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

/!\> Rather ironic that you should suddenly show any interest in
/!\> relevance to the newsgroup, "thoolen".

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2,
thalidomide?

/!\> Present tense "using"; what about the past tense "used", "thoolen"?

What does your question have to do with OS/2, tholian? And a quick
Google Groups search would confirm that nobody has posted to this
newsgroup with that name, ever, thrush. Suffering from an inability to
properly use Google, technetium?

/!\> Rather ironic that you should suddenly show any interest in
/!\> relevance to the newsgroup, "thoolen".

What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2,
trolloon?
 
J

Joe Attardi

What does your pontification have to do with Java, Attardi?
Is this Paul's newest defense mechanism along with "None of the nasty
things you have said, blah blah, are at all true"?
Who is "Paul Derbysh!re", Attardi? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.
Well, of course not. It's your _real_ name, not your alias. Silly
Paul.
What does your trolling have to do with Java, Attardi?
You're cljp's resident troll, and it looks like you've been staying
busy in the years I've been away.
 
J

Jane Doe

<4bbd2b63-1fe1-4df2-9297-ecabdd03d00a@dd6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,Joe
Is this Paul's newest defense mechanism along with "None of the nasty
things you have said, blah blah, are at all true"?

Well, of course not. It's your _real_ name, not your alias. Silly
Paul.

You're cljp's resident troll, and it looks like you've been staying
busy in the years I've been away.

a wise troll would move to a news server , Joe?
so all can 'see' you.
master Derbyshire has a reputation for using scripted tor
connections AND crossposting to flame groups.
IP address: 143.166.255.58
Reverse DNS: ausisaw2k3pc111-dmz.aus.amer.dell.com.

could well be Derbyshire is setting up yet another "double-act".
the idiot enjoys a chat to himself.
 
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thoolen

On 26/09/2011 4:50 PM, Joe Attardi wrote:
2> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

2> Is this Paul's newest defense mechanism along with "None of the nasty
2> things you have said, blah blah, are at all true"?

Who is "Paul", Attardi? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that alias.

2> You're cljp's resident troll,

What does your classic unsubstantiated and erroneous claim have to do
with Java or OS/2, Attardi?

2> and it looks like you've been staying busy in the years I've been
2> away.

What does my level of activity have to do with Java or OS/2, Attardi?
 
T

thoolen

On 26/09/2011 5:14 PM, "Jane Doe", an obvious murphy sock, wrote:
NaN> Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer,comp.os.os2.advocacy

NaN> a wise troll would move to a news server , Joe?

What does your unwiseness have to do with Java or OS/2, murphy?

NaN> so all can 'see' you.

Non sequitur.

NaN> master Derbysh!re has a reputation for using scripted tor
NaN> connections AND crossposting to flame groups.

Who is "master Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup
using that alias.

NaN> IP address: 143.166.255.58
NaN> Reverse DNS: ausisaw2k3pc111-dmz.aus.amer.dell.com.

What does Attardi's ISP selection have to do with Java or OS/2, murphy?

NaN> could well be Derbysh!re is setting up yet another "double-act".

Who is "Derbysh!re", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using
that alias.

NaN> the idiot enjoys a chat to himself.

Who is "the idiot", murphy? There is nobody in this newsgroup using that
alias.

"I had 'volunteered (years back) to support those who do endeavor
to provide free Free Usenet access, support those who offered
subscription based Free Usenet access, nothing more than
cooperation expected in return for what has been many
thousands of hours of work. I note most of those I joined with
are either deceased, severely disabled, or plain ole' MIA..
now it is my Time. ...

You just read my last. ...

For those who think they see me in future times I can only wish
you severe Tinnitus in your dreams. For those who know me
well (eMail, whatever) and see me, know I will be smiling also.
It is to you I say "adieu mein frenz and adios .. grazie' [hugs]
for all the Good Times! May you and yours always bear well
with all Life brings you".

/0ut"
--murphy

http://www.uffnet.com/kookkamp/goodbye.htm

And people wonder why I call them Famous Last Words.

P.S. You forgot to include a copy of your famous paranoid "Lits 'o Haet"
in your post, murphy. Still suffering from memory problems, murphy?
 
R

Retahiv Oopsiscame

*shrug* Suit yourself. But don't knock it until you've tried it.

I'll do as I please. Your argument could as well be used to support
eating shit, jumping off a bridge without a bungee cord, or skydiving
without a parachute.
No! None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

What?? Where did I call you a liar?

Two posts ago.
Lisps tend to accrue fairly standard libraries of third-party macros
everyone learns to recognize.

More complexity to learn. And this stuff is supposed to make the
programmer's job *easier*?
And of course you usually have access to the macro's source.

"Having access to" and "being able to read and understand" can
sometimes be worlds apart. In my years of working with other peoples'
code, I've seen shit that will turn you white. Also check out The
Daily WTF.
The ability to define functions or classes already suffices to allow
programmers to turn a language into a Tower of Babel,

Call semantics for functions are well defined -- argument evaluation,
etc. Those for macros are pretty much arbitrary -- whatever the macro
author intended. (Or didn't, but caused anyway.)
yet nearly all languages allow user-defined functions and/or classes in
some form or another, and ones that allow neither are considered archaic
and crippled.

A car without an automatic ignition would also be considered archaic
and crippled; that doesn't mean a car without a satellite radio would
be.
Something familiar in how you write. You remind me of someone I had a
very long argument with here, long ago. Appropriately, his name was
"Bent".

[implied insult deleted]

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.
Quick quiz:

I finished school a while ago. Go **** yourself.
Perhaps. Verbose, on the other hand, isn't, and Java is quite verbose at
any given level of expressiveness compared to, especially, Lisps.

The price of type safety, which lets a lot more problems be caught at
compile time, and with more informative error messages.
And now we're back to this. To satisfy your macro yen, you make the
whole rest of the language suck.

[calls me a liar]

No, no, no! None of the nasty things that you have said or implied
about me are at all true.
Whaaaaa?????

You heard me.
WTF?!?!?!

You heard me.
A single point we agree on! Wow. :p

No need for sarcasm. It means [severe implied insult deleted].

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.
 
R

Retahiv Oopsiscame

Holy cow! This guy hasn't changed one bit (except a new fake name, I
see).

Neither have you, it seems. And who's idiot enough to use his real
name on the internet?
Paul Derbyshire! It's been years! Still trolling well, I see.

Who the hell are you talking about? There's nobody here by that name.

On the other hand, we might make some deductions from your accusation.
The people trolling here seem to be Jane Doe, kaffelatte, and you, for
the most part. Maybe also thoolen. (The rest seem to be either normal
or misinformed, rather than actively and intentionally trolling.) And
you're probably not referring to yourself. Perhaps that Jane Doe
wacko?
 
C

Cthun

[calls me a liar]
No! None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.

What?? Where did I call you a liar?

Two posts ago.

I did not.
More complexity to learn. And this stuff is supposed to make the
programmer's job *easier*?

All programming languages and libraries have "complexity to learn".
"Having access to" and "being able to read and understand" can
sometimes be worlds apart. In my years of working with other peoples'
code, I've seen shit that will turn you white. Also check out The
Daily WTF.

Fortunately, standard library macros don't tend to be terrible like that
-- at least for open source implementations.
Call semantics for functions are well defined -- argument evaluation,
etc. Those for macros are pretty much arbitrary -- whatever the macro
author intended. (Or didn't, but caused anyway.)

A specious argument. What a function's results are is just as arbitrary,
but we accept functions.
A car without an automatic ignition would also be considered archaic
and crippled; that doesn't mean a car without a satellite radio would
be.

What about one without fuel injection?
Something familiar in how you write. You remind me of someone I had a
very long argument with here, long ago. Appropriately, his name was
"Bent".

[implied insult deleted]

No. None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me
are at all true.
WTF??
Quick quiz:

I finished school a while ago. Go **** yourself.

Okay. I think maybe we're done here.
 
J

Jane Doe

Derbyshire (spazums) caused said:
Neither have you, it seems. And who's idiot enough to use his real
name on the internet?
Plenty of "normal" Usenet posters do this daily, right here in cjlp also.
You did too, once. Thinking one and all would fall for that display
of stupidity of the event has become the rope that hangs you, Paul.
http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=<[email protected]>
Proving (to you) one cannot TROLL Usenet using their own name.
Only full blown IDIOTS try it.

The very same IDIOTs use Google Groups "hiding". LOL
IP address: 74.12.180.78
Reverse DNS: [No reverse DNS entry per
toroon63nszp05.srvr.bell.ca.]
City (per outside source): Toronto, Ontario

Same DNS as Paul G Derbyshire of Bennet St, Pembroke.
How strange is that ?
Who the hell are you talking about? There's nobody here by that name.
Not in posting ID, sure, but you sure live and breathe, Paul[..]albeit with
the aid of a freebie Shrink and a host of stabilising freebie drugs!
On the other hand, we might make some deductions from your accusation.
Oh do .. tale your classic erroneous presuppositions and build yourself a
dream.
The people trolling here seem to be Jane Doe,
Definitely. Wholly FLOWN (flag) stamped, signed, delivered by registered post.
And? You are going to do what about that, Derbyshire Troll.
kaffelatte,
Whomever the **** that poster is you best get some proof before some k00k (one
of your other names) threatens suit for defamation! LOL
and you, for the most part.
Attardi hasn't been here five minutes. You are quick to judge or recognise
yourself easily LOL
http://groups.google.com/groups/pro...ADfXj-vwhd9j4wh1TzPUDmwMZdjjkHRqd2dfOv7c9ZT9A
Maybe also thoolen.
oh cute. Not. Denial. Paul?
(The rest seem to be either normal
or misinformed, rather than actively and intentionally trolling.)
From your record - all traceable to YOU.

Murphy's List:

..--- . ... ..- ... <[email protected]>
00101010 <[email protected]>
3k7e4intna <[email protected]>
3x7r4vagan <[email protected]>
3x+r4v4g4n <[email protected]>
Alice <[email protected]>
Arne Këndoj <[email protected]>
Boojum <[email protected]>
B1ll Gat3s <[email protected]>
A Canuck <[email protected]>
Canuck <[email protected]>
ClassCastException <[email protected]>
Cthun <[email protected]>
Chad Carmichael <[email protected]>
dA.b0mB <[email protected]>
dark-zark-fark <[email protected]>
Deep Green <[email protected]> (forgery)
Deeyana <[email protected]>
De Lurker <[email protected]>
Derek Yancey <[email protected]>
Extravagan <[email protected]>
Ferdinand the -14th <[email protected]>
Fuschia, President-Elect of the Bright Purplish-Green Council
<[email protected]>
George Arctos <[email protected]>
Greg Kelly <[email protected]>
Greg Sandoval <[email protected]>
Gheerax IV <[email protected]>
Handkea fumosa <[email protected]>
Hieronymus S. Freely <[email protected]>
Hydrocon <[email protected]>
Henry Harrison <[email protected]>
Henderson <[email protected]>
Heike Svensson <[email protected]>
Harry Greer <[email protected]>
Janie Zanie <[email protected]>
Jerry Gerrone <[email protected]>
John Kirkpatrick XVII <[email protected]>
Katie Gerrolds <[email protected]>
Kevin Hadron <[email protected]>
kensi <[email protected]>
KitKat <[email protected]>
Meerkats <[email protected]> (forgery)
Mister Scott <[email protected]>
Mrs. Danforth <[email protected]>
Mike Faramis <[email protected]>
Mamac <[email protected]>
Nancy 3 <[email protected]>
Nancy 4 <[email protected]> (forgery)
Nebulous <[email protected]>
Nightcrawler <[email protected]>
Nougat Surprise <[email protected]>
Orange Green <[email protected]>
Purpleswandir <[email protected]>
Retahiv Oopsiscame <[email protected]>
RichB <[email protected]>
(e-mail address removed)
SFTV_troll <[email protected]>
Some Guy <[email protected]>
Sulfide Eater <[email protected]>
<supercalifragilisticexpialadiamaticonormalizeringelimatisticantations@averylongandannoyingdomainname.com>
Spock <[email protected]>
Series Expansion <[email protected]>
Seamus MacRae <[email protected]>
Snicker-snack! <[email protected]>
Tim <[email protected]>
Thursday's Leftovers <[email protected]>
thoolen <[email protected]>
thoolen <[email protected]>
thoolen <[email protected]>
<[email protected]>
Willy Wonka <[email protected]>
Zapotec said:
And you're probably not referring to yourself.
And you are again chatting to yourself, likely.
See how easy it is to put thoughts up, with no
basis. Anyone can do that, nothing at all "clever " about it.
Perhaps that Jane Doe wacko?

All are "whacko" except you, Paul. How true that is it your
view of the World. A "for Free" view I would add.

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%%%>> What?? Where did I call you a liar?
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%%%Fortunately, standard library macros don't tend to be terrible like that
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%%%> Call semantics for functions are well defined -- argument evaluation,
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%%%A specious argument. What a function's results are is just as arbitrary,
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%%%>> yet nearly all languages allow user-defined functions and/or classes in
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%%%What about one without fuel injection?
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%%%>> [implied insult deleted]
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%%%
%%%WTF??
%%%
%%%>> Quick quiz:
%%%>
%%%> I finished school a while ago. Go **** yourself.
%%%
%%%Okay. I think maybe we're done here.

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%%%On 19/09/2011 10:15 PM, (e-mail address removed) wrote:
%%%> A Canuck, 3x7r4vagan, and thoolen, all posting from the same
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%%%
%%%What does that coincidence have to do with OS/2, tholenbot?
%%%
%%%> and all sharing the same misattribution problem:
%%%
%%%What does your classic erroneous presupposition have to do with OS/2,
%%%tholoon?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Your behavior, Paul, is beyond ludicrous in the mind of the informed
observer. What it is in your head which directs your thinking
of the World out there owing you a stage littered with fools for you
to toy with at will is a total mystery, one I would wager even your shrink
struggles with.
It is not the responsibility of anyone using Usenet to provide you with a
free psycho analysis, hand feeding you a "cure". This as not only is it
that the lies you publish would cloud such a diagnosis but the worth of
professional assessment in a text only environment is as of much value
(real worth) as the opinions of one of your holed socks!
http://i51.tinypic.com/28us11y.jpg

It is very clear you have not grown beyond knowing your activity is
archived, is traceable, and is yours.
"Retahiv Oopsiscame" <[email protected]>
is the name you used to argue with "(e-mail address removed)"
[http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=131612707500]
all the while leaping the thread with;
"Jerry Gerrone" [http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=131613873900]
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is most appropriate for you to
have some fun with.

Article =
http://al.howardknight.net/[email protected]>
Google Archive =
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.off-topic/msg/58b746e6ae52c1ff?dmode=source
Parent Thread =
http://groups.google.com/group/alt..../58b746e6ae52c1ff?q=author:[email protected]


Today you believe it is "safe" to pop the name again, sad mad prat.
Whois "Retahiv Oopsiscame ' --->http://preview.tinyurl.com/Derbysh-reTrolls

I gather even you are capable of joining the dots, Derbyshire?

IP address: 76.64.158.18
Reverse DNS: bas13-kitchener06-1279303186.dsl.bell.ca.
City: Toronto, Ontario

From: Retahiv Oopsiscame <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject: Re: Style Police (a rant)
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 09:48:40 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<19a1f215-7fa0-434e-a517-c260f600b495@l10g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 70.54.8.115

IP address: 70.54.8.115
Reverse DNS: bas1-ottawa10-1177946227.dsl.bell.ca.
City : Montreal, Quebec
Country : CA [Canada]

Give this your best shot at maths, Paul, you're the expert;
http://66.39.71.195/Derbyshire/hypergal.html
Do build the audience a picture from how it is 32 months after
"Retahiv Oopsiscame" posts from your neighbourhood
in "chat" with your "Jerry Gerrone" sock, the identical ID is used to
again "chat" with you mimicking the performance you put out now as
"Cthun" - not at all dismissing you are using a SMTP DNS you are
not permitted to use - what is the logical possibility of such an
event being sheer coincidence, Paul?
Two entirely disconnected identities being addressed by the same
persona who, using the same argumentative approach
and the same "bait/switch" presentation fills the group with
rants of self-proclamation rants (airs and graces).
Give up the numbers, Paul.
Crunch them down.
You got all night.. and no neighbors!
http://i51.tinypic.com/28us11y.jpo

"Retahiv Oopsiscame" goes on the list.

Attardi best come up with something new or that ID too
I add to "Murpohy's List".
 

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