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Lyle Johnson

i see in rubyforge this URL:
http://rubyforge.org/snippet/browse.php?by=3Dlang&lang=3D17

what is the php tag in the url?
if this is a ruby-website, why they are run php, not ruby?

I think the short answer is that, at the time RubyForge was
established, the most appropriate software for running a site like it
was GForge -- which happens to be written in PHP (and other languages,
as I recall). There are at least a few possible Ruby-based
replacements (like RedMine?) that are now available, but I can only
imagine how much of a task it would be to migrate all of the existing
projects hosted by RubyForge to a different system.

By the way -- what language is your e-mail client written in? You
*did* use a Ruby-based e-mail program to post your message, didn't
you? ;)
 
J

John Joyce

You'll find that tons of Ruby sites use PHP based software. Why? KISS.
You don't always have to build it. If a good solution exists that you =20=

already know how to use, it's not a bad idea.
There are still PHP sites built with Perl...
Doesn't matter. All you're seeing is the file extension. It could =20
be .bob as long as the server knows what to do with it, like sending =20
it to the appropriate interpreter. You'll notice, or not notice, that =20=

many Rails sites and PHP sites serve pages with no file extension, =20
because the browser does not care!
 
J

James Britt

Lyle said:
I think the short answer is that, at the time RubyForge was
established, the most appropriate software for running a site like it
was GForge -- which happens to be written in PHP (and other languages,
as I recall). There are at least a few possible Ruby-based
replacements (like RedMine?) that are now available, but I can only
imagine how much of a task it would be to migrate all of the existing
projects hosted by RubyForge to a different system.

By the way -- what language is your e-mail client written in? You
*did* use a Ruby-based e-mail program to post your message, didn't
you? ;)

But, *horror*, isn't the ruby-talk mailing list powered by Python?

James Britt
 
C

Chad Perrin

But, *horror*, isn't the ruby-talk mailing list powered by Python?

As long as I don't have to look at the source code, it's not all that
horrifying.
 
T

Tom Copeland

I think the short answer is that, at the time RubyForge was
established, the most appropriate software for running a site like it
was GForge -- which happens to be written in PHP (and other languages,
as I recall). There are at least a few possible Ruby-based
replacements (like RedMine?) that are now available, but I can only
imagine how much of a task it would be to migrate all of the existing
projects hosted by RubyForge to a different system.

What Lyle said.

Yours,

Tom
 
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Chad Perrin

Hi,

In message "Re: PHP in rubyforge?"

|But, *horror*, isn't the ruby-talk mailing list powered by Python?

No, it's in Perl, even more horror for us. ;-)

Aww . . . but I *like* Perl!
 
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Chad Perrin

I sometimes wonder why non English-speakers create programming languages
that are in English.

Historical reasons.

Is there any other type of reason for anything?

But then I realize how totally fun it would be if all of Ruby's base classes
and syntax were in Japanese. ;-)

It would either finally impel me to get back to learning Japanese, or
keep me from learning Ruby. I'd give it about 50% either way.
 
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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

They don't. Non *native* English speakers create programming languages
with English words in them, but they have to know a little English
(begin, end, do, call, if, then, etc.)
Historical reasons.

Is there any other type of reason for anything?
I recall seeing that line in either AWDR or the Pickaxe. :)
It would either finally impel me to get back to learning Japanese, or
keep me from learning Ruby. I'd give it about 50% either way.
I struggled through two years of Russian in college because someone had
told me that the Russians were ahead of the USA in math and computer
science. Hell, it turned out that they were still using vacuum tubes and
the only thing they knew how to do better than we did was probability
theory. I should have learned French instead -- or Japanese.
 
M

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky said:
I struggled through two years of Russian in college because someone
had told me that the Russians were ahead of the USA in math and
computer science. Hell, it turned out that they were still using
vacuum tubes and the only thing they knew how to do better than we did
was probability theory. I should have learned French instead -- or
Japanese.
P.S.: If you're near a decent university library, look up a book on a
supposedly "earth-shaking" programming language the Russians invented
called Lyapas. If it's possible to have a language more bizarre than
Unlambda or Intercal or Malbolge ... this one is it. But computer
scientists told us it was wonderful for some reason. Go figure.

P.P.S: I actually tried to create a language that looks a *lot* like
Unlambda in the 1970s. I really thought it was useful, not some bizarre
computer scientist's way of making unreadable code. I wonder what would
have happened if I had tried to publish it?
 
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Chad Perrin

I recall seeing that line in either AWDR or the Pickaxe. :)

It was the Pickaxe -- good eye. I paraphrased, of course.

I note, by the way, that my randomly selected signature block below is
remarkably well suited to this topic.

I struggled through two years of Russian in college because someone had
told me that the Russians were ahead of the USA in math and computer
science. Hell, it turned out that they were still using vacuum tubes and
the only thing they knew how to do better than we did was probability
theory. I should have learned French instead -- or Japanese.

I should have kept practicing Japanese after that last Japanese class.
Now, I don't even remember how to ask for a restroom. I get a kick out
of watching Japanese movies with subtitles and marvelling at the wide
disparity between translation and original Japanese, though, based on
the bits I still understand.
 
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Chad Perrin

P.S.: If you're near a decent university library, look up a book on a
supposedly "earth-shaking" programming language the Russians invented
called Lyapas. If it's possible to have a language more bizarre than
Unlambda or Intercal or Malbolge ... this one is it. But computer
scientists told us it was wonderful for some reason. Go figure.

Um . . . okay, I'll look that up later tonight. Sounds like it should
at least be worth a few moments' amusement to read about it, though I'm
pretty sure I won't want to learn it any time soon, based on that
description.

P.P.S: I actually tried to create a language that looks a *lot* like
Unlambda in the 1970s. I really thought it was useful, not some bizarre
computer scientist's way of making unreadable code. I wonder what would
have happened if I had tried to publish it?

You'd probably have your own mailing list, and people would be calling
you by some kind of cute four-letter term of endearment that ends with
Z. Well, okay, maybe not, but it's fun to dream.
 
M

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

Chad said:
You'd probably have your own mailing list, and people would be calling
you by some kind of cute four-letter term of endearment that ends with
Z. Well, okay, maybe not, but it's fun to dream.
This was in the early -- mid 1970s, before mailing lists and personal
computers. I discovered the lambda calculus and volume one of
_Combinatory Logic_ by Curry and Feys (the Curry being *Haskell* Curry)
in about 1971. That was when I decided to learn Lisp and read McCarthy's
paper. The language was going to be called "STRIP" by analogy with LISt
Processing for Lisp -- STRIP for STRIng Processing. It was essentially
McCarthy's character based version of Lisp (I forget what he called it)
with combinators instead of lambdas. When I saw Unlambda a couple of
weeks ago, I said, "Whoa! Somebody actually *did* that?"

I do have my own mailing list, and people call me "znmeb", a cute
five-letter word that beings with z. Hmmm ...
 
C

Chad Perrin

This was in the early -- mid 1970s, before mailing lists and personal
computers. I discovered the lambda calculus and volume one of
_Combinatory Logic_ by Curry and Feys (the Curry being *Haskell* Curry)
in about 1971. That was when I decided to learn Lisp and read McCarthy's
paper. The language was going to be called "STRIP" by analogy with LISt
Processing for Lisp -- STRIP for STRIng Processing. It was essentially
McCarthy's character based version of Lisp (I forget what he called it)
with combinators instead of lambdas. When I saw Unlambda a couple of
weeks ago, I said, "Whoa! Somebody actually *did* that?"

I do have my own mailing list, and people call me "znmeb", a cute
five-letter word that beings with z. Hmmm ...

Coincidence . . . or conspiracy?
 
R

Robert Dober

They don't. Non *native* English speakers create programming languages
with English words in them, but they have to know a little English
(begin, end, do, call, if, then, etc.)
I recall seeing that line in either AWDR or the Pickaxe. :)
I struggled through two years of Russian in college because someone had
told me that the Russians were ahead of the USA in math and computer
science. Hell, it turned out that they were still using vacuum tubes and
the only thing they knew how to do better than we did was probability
theory. I should have learned French instead -- or Japanese.
Italian, definitely Italian because Puccini, Bellini and Donizetti
will never go away, and some like Verdi too, but do not tell my French
wife. Well 574km/h is an achievement though, well done. (I am talking
about the train ;)
Robert
 
P

Peter Hickman

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky said:
I struggled through two years of Russian in college because someone
had told me that the Russians were ahead of the USA in math and
computer science. Hell, it turned out that they were still using
vacuum tubes and the only thing they knew how to do better than we did
was probability theory. I should have learned French instead -- or
Japanese.
The use of vacuum tubes provided a significant defence against EMP or
weapons designed to scramble the electronics, any system built around
vacuum tubes is less likely just to pack up. This would have allowed the
Soviet fighter planes to be operational in the same theatre as nuclear
weapons were being used. Of course this was probably a happy coincidence
and not a design decision.
 
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John Joyce

hmm.
not to mention, vacuum tubes are extremely good for amplifying circuits.
still used in high powered radar.
 
M

M. Edward (Ed) Borasky

John said:
hmm.
not to mention, vacuum tubes are extremely good for amplifying circuits.
still used in high powered radar.
And there are still audiophiles who will not use transistor-based sound
equipment because they can actually hear the difference. As a matter of
fact, there used to be a company that made a frightfully expensive
vacuum-tube-based synthesizer for similar reasons.
 

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