The very, very strang thing (tables)

[Nicole]

@David:
Thank you for your posting.

"hire a designer or take a class". That's my advice.

This advise is mean, because it says, "You are too stupid, to improve anything by yourself." And btw it is not the idea of the usenet to say "search elsewhere".


Perhaps you can improve your posting and be more constructive what to change in detail.

e.g. List 10 Colors and their purpose here which will work nicely in readability, intended expression and optic.



Nicole

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

English is not my native's tongue.
If you say "Flesh, off orange, and gray" - sorry, I cannot find out by these words, what exactly is the problem to you.

Do you think, you can be more verbose?
"Flesh"? "Off organge"?

What he means is I think:

"Flesh": the pinkish color used for skin color

"off orange": a shade or tint deviating from pure bright orange

"gray" or grey: a middle value between white and black

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

about #ccb7b6 - but note that this old usage does not
consider the real range of flesh tones; my favorite oil
paint at least specifies 'Caucasian' flesh tone.

Well as an artist I can say any tube of paint labeled as "flesh" is
misnamed, no one's skin is that color! The color of skin regardless of
race is very complex with hues of reds, blues, and greens...

 

[Awful Dog Autry]

Indeed.

Telling someone what sucks, why it sucks, and how they can make it not
suck, is blunt. It may be painful to hear, but it's productive.

Simply telling someone what sucks, without offering a single suggestion
about how to improve it, is crassness. It's just inflicting pain for its
own sake, and there's nothing productive about it.

Life sucks. It sucks because people hurt you. You could kill them all
and rule the Earth as you liked.

 

[Gzuz Sayvze]

about #ccb7b6 - but note that this old usage does not
consider the real range of flesh tones; my favorite oil
paint at least specifies 'Caucasian' flesh tone.


depends on whether the "off" is chromatic or value based "off":
red-orange/yellow-orange or greyed-orange.

fairly near #888.

Actually, the official value is #808080.

 

[Jani]

Life sucks.  It sucks because people hurt you.  You could kill them all
and rule the Earth as you liked.

It is not always another person who hurt you. Very often it is your
own fault because you do shit and you have to face the consequences.
But if you continue to try hard to get a better life and you still
don't succeed... Well, then propably someone is fooling you. And in
most times this someone is the politics. So don't hesitate to get rid
of the stupid leaders and hoot 'em out of the office.

 

[Travis Newbury]

Well as an artist I can say any tube of paint labeled as "flesh" is
misnamed, no one's skin is that color! The color of skin regardless of
race is very complex with hues of reds, blues, and greens...

Not according to crayola...

 

[Travis Newbury]

Life sucks.  It sucks because people hurt you.  You could kill them all
and rule the Earth as you liked.

Sounds like you just caught your significant other cheating on you...

 

[David Segall]

Indeed.

Telling someone what sucks, why it sucks, and how they can make it not
suck, is blunt. It may be painful to hear, but it's productive.

Simply telling someone what sucks, without offering a single suggestion
about how to improve it, is crassness. It's just inflicting pain for its
own sake, and there's nothing productive about it.

While I agree with almost every word in your post I don't think Travis
is being malicious. He thinks "visually" and he is, so far, slow to
translate his visual reaction into useful advice. Similarly, it is
difficult for me to frame a question in the visual terms that Travis
might understand because that is not the way I think. I have noticed
that when visual artists are interviewed on radio or TV they are often
boring and/or incomprehensible because they are unable to translate
their work into words.

I believe that there is a significant (and interesting) difference in
the way people "see" the world and that bridging the gap would improve
the web.

 

[Jonathan N. Little]

Not according to crayola...

Of course they *are* the authority of racial coloring with "Indian Red"
They had to change the name due to PC pressure but the only problem was
"Indian Red" did *not* refer to Native American skin color but of a red
earth pigment from *India* used in paints for centuries...

 

[Travis Newbury]

This advise is mean, because it says, "You are too stupid, to improve anything by yourself." And btw it is not the idea of the usenet to say  "search elsewhere".

If you had a booger on your nose, would you want me to tell you? Well
your site is a booger on your nose., There I told you. (I am sorry I
said that, it just sounded funny when I thought of it, your site is
not a booger)

Why is this mean? Because I you that your site would look better if
you hired a designer or if you took a design class? Do you disagree?
Do you think either of those things would not help your site? You
don't disagree with my message, you just disagree with how I said it.

Perhaps you can improve your posting and be more constructive what to change in detail.

Nicole, if I offended you, then you will need to get a thicker skin.
I am not mean, I am very blunt, and no, I don't take into
consideration your feeling when I say something. If I think something
sucks I will say it sucks. I will offer direction to what I think
sucks (in your case the design and especially the colors). From there
it is up to you to decide if you agree with what I think sucks. If
you do, then you will take my advice (which I clearly gave you, hire
someone or get some training), and I pointed you to your first
training, kulers, which I believe you liked because you wrote to me:

"Thank you for the link.
It looks really great. "

 

[William Gill]

Of course they *are* the authority of racial coloring with "Indian Red"
They had to change the name due to PC pressure but the only problem was
"Indian Red" did *not* refer to Native American skin color but of a red
earth pigment from *India* used in paints for centuries...

Yes, and how much more interesting life will be when we eliminate all
those potentially offensive adjectives in favor of the more precise, and
of course politically acceptable "#F9BEEB."

I can't wait to read the exciting literature and poetry written in this
new style.

 

[William Gill]

Indeed.

Telling someone what sucks, why it sucks, and how they can make it not
suck, is blunt. It may be painful to hear, but it's productive.

Simply telling someone what sucks, without offering a single suggestion
about how to improve it, is crassness. It's just inflicting pain for its
own sake, and there's nothing productive about it.

sherm--

One man’s meat is another man’s poison.

Oh! maybe I should change that to "One person's meat is another
person's poison."

No, No! It should be "One being's meat is another being's poison."

Anyway, Travis expressed an opinion. Maybe not eloquently, or
tactfully, but an opinion. Usually the stronger the opinion, the more
forceful the delivery, not necessarily the more definitive. Travis
didn't like the original color scheme. That's not a crime (at least not
yet). Even though the colors were technically analogous, I didn't
particularly like the scheme either, and I like the current version even
less. I have groomed the HTML and CSS spec, and can not find any
prohibition of "ugly", "sucks" or even any restriction on "not what
Travis likes." Perhaps someday they will be able to boil it all down
to a mathematical formula, and feed it into a program, and then we can
all find something else to do with our time.

As for the infliction of pain? The OP can chose to be hurt, or can take
it for what it's worth. They can either reevaluate the scheme, consider
the source, or tell Travis "Actually those are the colors I wanted, so
thank you very much, but #@$% off." (preferably in their own mind and
not in this group, but it's the OP's choice) Travis can then chose to
be "hurt" that his opinion was rejected, or he can (and most likely
will) say to himself "Your problem, not mine. You asked, I answered."

Just because someone says something "sucks" doesn't mean it does. Hell,
there are some people who would cause me to completely redo a design if
they didn't think it "sucked." If a head banger didn't think my funeral
parlor design "sucked" I would worry.

 

[William Gill]

Sounds like you just caught your significant other cheating on you...

No it sounds like they have a sardonic sense of irony.

Of course they could be psychopathic, in which case disregard my
previous statement.

 

[William Gill]

Nicole, if I offended you, then you will need to get a thicker skin.
I am not mean, I am very blunt, and no, I don't take into
consideration your feeling when I say something. If I think something
sucks I will say it sucks. I will offer direction to what I think
sucks (in your case the design and especially the colors). From there
it is up to you to decide if you agree with what I think sucks. If
you do, then you will take my advice (which I clearly gave you, hire
someone or get some training), and I pointed you to your first
training, kulers, which I believe you liked because you wrote to me:

"Thank you for the link.
It looks really great. "

Don't know why but I keep thinking "NOTICE ENGAGE BRAIN BEFORE OPERATING
MOUTH (keyboard)" or "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."

The OP is obviously new both here and to HTML, so it is unlikely they
have followed this newsgroup. OP would have little perspective on your
opinions or how you express them. That having been said, I seem to
detect a negative tint to some of your recent posts. I don't mean to
analyze only to point out the apparent incongruity.

I know for myself there are times when external (or internal) factors
cause my attempts at rapier wit, come across as malicious daggers.
Recognizing that, I can usually recognize where my head is, and can
chose the appropriate blade.

 

[Awful Dog Autry]

It is not always another person who hurt you. Very often it is your
own fault because you do shit and you have to face the consequences.
But if you continue to try hard to get a better life and you still
don't succeed... Well, then propably someone is fooling you. And in
most times this someone is the politics. So don't hesitate to get rid
of the stupid leaders and hoot 'em out of the office.

What do you think I am, an owl with a grudge? My irony was meant to be
serio-comic rather than particularly didactic but to focus on one point
of your reply which caught my attention, I do not blame myself for
shitting although the resultant odor can be quite consequential.

 

[Awful Dog Autry]

Sounds like you just caught your significant other cheating on you...

No, it's just that she refuses to acknowledge my greatness, the bitch.