Why "class exceptions" are not deprecated?

[rurpy]

no, but that's because you're the kind of pathetic loser who only sees
problem with things, and only pops up when you have a chance to piss
on something.

Are you going to address the issue, or just limit
yourself to a public temper tantrum?

 

[Fredrik Lundh]

Are you going to address the issue, or just limit
yourself to a public temper tantrum?

what issue? your inability to contribute anything but complaints? that's
your problem, and you have to fix that yourself. I'm sure you'd feel better
if you tried.

</F>

 

[Paul Rubin]

what issue? your inability to contribute anything but complaints? that's
your problem, and you have to fix that yourself. I'm sure you'd feel better
if you tried.

I'm not sure what's wrong with complaints. I've submitted a lot of
bug reports and they weren't always handled the way I might have
liked, but nobody got after me for failing to submit fixes along with
them.

 

[rurpy]

Context: I entered this thread complaining about a
derogatory reply to a poster saying that he failed to
read the documentation correctly, when in fact the
documentation was faulty.

This reply on the Fedora list makes an interesting
contrast to c.l.p.

[description of problems OP had installing Fedora]
In summary, all the info was there, it was just hard to find for a
newbie or someone suffering from a particularly bad brain cramp.

Copying to fedora-docs list. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[rurpy]

Here is a 30000' view. I posted about a clear
(admittedly very minor) doc problem 8 days ago.
Since then there have been 30+ postings in this
thread. Insults and bad feelings have flown.
Two people setup wikis and uploaded the tutorial.
I don't know how many people have visited or made
changes. After all that I look at the current
2.5 docs, and what do I see? The same, trivial,
problem is still there.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with
this picture?

I have not seen any responses to this so
maybe I am the only one.

Or has Fredrik Lundh's vitriolic postings
intimidated this entire group into silence?

[snipped...a proposal that would hopefully
improve the documentation and process.]

No comments on this either. I wonder why?

....It is a lousy or unworkable idea.

....Fredrik doesn't like it.

....It did not come from an insider.

....The docs for introducing people to Python
and getting them to an intermediate level are
already ok. Any further improvement would
erode the status of the existing experts and
is thus undersireable.

....Same as above but would reduce the ability
of experts to make money writing commercial
books.

 

[Ed Singleton]

I agree with you generally on the "something needs to be done". I'm
all for a system that allows people to make trivial changes
themselves, and has a team (or Czar) overseeing it to keep things in
order.

I disagree with some of the details of your suggestion as I tend to be
more in favour of a "Wild West Wiki" approach that gives everyone
equal power, except the editors who have final say. However I'm
broadly in agreement.

Ironically, I think that if you and Fredric played nicely, you'd find
that he also broadly agrees with the need for change (hence the
creation of the wiki).

I think (but am not at all sure) that getting the people in change of
Python to change the way things are done is quite difficult. I think,
just like with the standard library, that there tends to be a system
of seeing what gets created in the wild, and then once something is
fairly well proven, make it official. I'm not at all sure that this
is a bad way of going about things. DIY certainly seems to be a
large, but unspoken, part of the community.

If you want your changes to take place, you'll need to set it up
yourself, make it work, and if it did, it would very likely replace
the current system. If it doesn't work, that would seem to suggest
that it wasn't sufficiently better.

I know it can be very frustrating making suggestions and comments on
the list and people at best ignoring them, but that seems to be how
things work around here. I think it's a zen thing.

[snipped...a proposal that would hopefully
improve the documentation and process.]

No comments on this either. I wonder why?

...It is a lousy or unworkable idea.

...Fredrik doesn't like it.

...It did not come from an insider.

...The docs for introducing people to Python
and getting them to an intermediate level are
already ok. Any further improvement would
erode the status of the existing experts and
is thus undersireable.

...Same as above but would reduce the ability
of experts to make money writing commercial
books.

Probably none of the above. It's just not exciting enough for people
to go away and do it for you. If you really believe in the idea, do
it, prove it and then people will accept it (and you'll probably be in
charge of the docs).

Ed