windows shell

[Charles Plager]

Charles: Go back to your bigot hole. Until you actually know what you're
talking about, you have no business in this particular discussion,
because you're merely spewing misinformation and bigotry.

Ummm... Maybe you should look in the mirror. I'm not sure which bigotry
I'm supposed to be spewing here.

Bollocks. The "smart" copy on Unix (that I've been dealing with since
1990 when I had access to the Sun lab at Boston University) is what's
stupid.

Right. Highlighting the text you want. Really stupid. What horrors
will they think of next?

I find it rarely. Usually running other people's programs. Maybe you
just don't know how to run programs cleanly on Windows, or you want to
treat Windows like Unix and kvetch when it doesn't work right.

Uhhh... Sure dude. Windows (or specifically, NTFS) works fine. So does
Cygwin. Being able to resize your window, however, is something that
*many* people find useful.

Don't go there. You don't know me, you don't know *shit* about what I
like or don't like. What I don't like are asinine platform bigots like
you who come spewing misinformation and bile.

You're the one who started trashing Cygwin.

And no, Cygwin isn't a
Linux-like environment. It's a POSIX environment. It's also unstable,
unreliable, and badly configured by default.

Yes. Cygwin is a posix emulation for Windows. For the record, the
quote is from the Cygwin web page, so you can take it up with them. As
for being badly configured, well, then maybe you just don't know how to
do it correctly. I've been using it for years without any problems.

FWIW, I *do* use Cygwin. When I have to. I also mostly use it for X so
that I can do ddd (or the equivalent) on the various Unix boxes for
which I develop. And have developed for a *long* time.
Congratulations.



Wrong. Good developers know to use the best tools available for their
platform. On Linux, that's Xterm and descendants. On Windows, that's
*not* cygwin.

It's true just because you say so. Ohhh.. Sorry. I didn't realize who
you were.

Yes, it does. It explains that I like cool geek toys and am not a
platform bigot. Can you say the same, Chuck?

Sure, Ass (err, sorry, Aus). If you think I'm not a platform bigot,
then you *really* have to get out there. Cygwin runs on the Windows
platform, no?

Charles

 

[Austin Ziegler]

As far as programming goes, most people don't spend that much time in
Windows. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

Too bad your comment doesn't jive with reality. (There are *more*
Windows developers than Unix developers.)

I don't know why I'm arguing with someone who clearly doesn't know
what they're talking about in any case, and confuses shells and
terminals as you did. Talk to me again when you've got a clue about
the relative power of each. (The only thing that I regularly miss at
cmd.exe is command completion instead of just file/directory
completion. But I get over that easily.)

-austin
--=20
Austin Ziegler * (e-mail address removed)
* Alternate: (e-mail address removed)

 

[Charles Plager]

Too bad your comment doesn't jive with reality. (There are *more*
Windows developers than Unix developers.)

My guess is that most of the people on this list programming Ruby are
NOT on Windows.

I don't know why I'm arguing with someone who clearly doesn't know
what they're talking about in any case, and confuses shells and
terminals as you did.

Huh? I did? O.k., whatever dude.

Talk to me again when you've got a clue about
the relative power of each. (The only thing that I regularly miss at
cmd.exe is command completion instead of just file/directory
completion. But I get over that easily.)

Of course, with bash/tcsh/zsh/etc, you can have it all. I'm glad you
don't mind settling.

 

[Bill Kelly]

C:\>(echo hello & echo hello2) && (echo goodbye & echo goodbye2)
hello
hello2
goodbye
goodbye2

Interesting... I'm not sure what the parens are actually
doing? Meaning,

C:\> ( cd foo )
C:\foo>

...i.e. they don't seem to have spawned a sub-shell, because
the environment of the parent was changed.

Exactly that.

Haha, well - that IS a surprise... Thx....


Regards,

Bill

 

[Lothar Scholz]

Hello Charles,

CP> As far as programming goes, most people don't spend that much time in
CP> Windows. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
CP> Charles

I don't agree with many arguments from Austin and also not with his
writing style but in this point he is correct. From all the statistics
i see (including my own weblogs) i would doubt if more then 15% of all
ruby users use linux for development, 5% maybe MacOSX but the majority
of 80% is still using windows.

And having an iMac G5, and two a good powerful Intel System here
(Linux/WinXP) in my office, i easily understand why they do.

And by the way, i don't think that this newsgroup is very
representative for the ruby community.

 

[Charles Plager]

Hello Charles,

CP> As far as programming goes, most people don't spend that much time in
CP> Windows. I'm sorry if that upsets you.
CP> Charles

I don't agree with many arguments from Austin and also not with his
writing style but in this point he is correct. From all the statistics
i see (including my own weblogs) i would doubt if more then 15% of all
ruby users use linux for development, 5% maybe MacOSX but the majority
of 80% is still using windows.

Since I don't have numbers of my own, I'll take your word for it.

And having an iMac G5, and two a good powerful Intel System here
(Linux/WinXP) in my office, i easily understand why they do.

Let me rephrase my statement: If you have no experience in a posix world
and don't want to learn about it, there's no reason to try Cygwin. If
however, you're coming from or planning on going to unix, give it a try.

 

[Wayne Vucenic]

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especially among the Railers OS X is used a lot.

I was at a gathering of Ruby users this weekend (mostly Railers), and when=
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it came
time to bring out laptops, 4 out of 4 laptops were Macs.
(Personally, I use Windows).
Wayne Vucenic
No Bugs Software
Ruby and C++ Contract Programming in Silicon Valley

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