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NO. DO NOT POST WHILE I AM STILL CATCHING UP. WAIT 24 HOURS FIRST.
NO. DO NOT POST WHILE I AM STILL CATCHING UP. WAIT 24 HOURS FIRST.
[misquotes and insults me]
Do not misquote me again. Your post contained supposed "quoted
material" that did not occur in the post that you followed up to nor
summarize material that did. That is incorrect. Stop being dishonest.
None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.
I don't respond well to threats.
Class instruction [vicious implied insults deleted]
No, you're the stupid one.
None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.
If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Hypocrite. Brazen and flagrant hypocrite. UNBELIEVABLE MOTHERFUCKING
COCKSUCKING HYPOCRITE!!
I have been mostly absent from this newsgroup for much of the past
year. On the other hand, I know how much assholes love to diss me
"behind my back" or where they think I'm no longer looking, so I did a
google search and sure enough, people had been badmouthing Twisted
here, quite spontaneously, despite that absence.
Including you.
You attacked me /in absentia/, forcing me to come back here to reply
in my own defense, and then a bunch of your asshole buddies ganged up
on me (as usual), and then you had the sheer, unrepentant gall to tell
me "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"???
I HAD gotten out of the "kitchen", and you more or less dragged me
back kicking and screaming!
What the **** is your problem? Or Arne's, or anyone else's? Can you
not let sleeping dogs lie? Can you not let go of a grudge? Can you not
let bygones be bygones? Even if so, can you also not get your FUCKING
KILLFILES TO WORK?
Sheesh! What is WRONG with you people??? You are incapable of simply
disagreeing with someone without believing that they must therefore be
wrong/stupid/crazy, and you can't believe THAT without attempting to
publicly humiliate them. Once you manage to get someone to leave, you
don't even stop there. You follow him to other newsgroups, or you keep
badmouthing him in the one he left, at random times. You just can't
leave me alone, can you? You're fucking obsessed!
Not only that, but a quick google search of the newsgroup for each of
your names turns up, in most cases, several longish threads at various
times in the past several months. Examining these threads shows that
you have gotten embroiled in similar, if less bitter, disputes with
several other people in the newsgroup, most of whom appear to have
been trying to participate in discussions of Java programming in good
faith, only to get increasingly irritated by your incessant nitpicking
and minor public putdowns -- same way it started with me. Apparently
some fraction of people just don't take that kind of nonsense lying
down, and eventually they stand up and say "Enough! You've been
insulting me and making little digs at me in public for a week now.
That is disrespectful and rude. Stop it! If you disagree with me,
disagree like a civilized man, not like some rabid animal." And then
you lot completely fly off the handle and a flamewar starts, because
you arrogantly believe you have some sort of God-given superiority-
induced right to be callous, rude, and disrespectful to anyone you
think is your inferior, and that it is some sort of "lese majeste" for
anyone to dare call you on your behavior. Basically, you act like
nobility or aristrocracy of old, with a sense of entitlement and a
superiority complex, when you're really just a bunch of losers (SORE
losers, when you lose an argument) with no social lives and thus no
other way to get your rocks off except by strutting about and stepping
on people like you think you're some sort of demigods, and then
turning viciously, and in a pack rather than separately, upon anyone
who dares stand up to your nasty behavior.
You're not superior at all, though.
You're pathetic.
What a bunch of miserable, nasty, angry losers. Can't get a date -- go
stomp on some poor guy's face on the internet, that'll make you feel
better!
My sole comfort in all of this stems from the knowledge that I am no
longer alone, that others have suffered your depradations, if not
fought back as militantly or as valiantly as I have, and that some of
those others have as big an aversion to knuckling under as I do.
Now the lot of you -- go see your shrinks. Some deep-seated
psychological need fuels your obesssion with me, your obsession with
Paul (wherever he may be), and your arrogance, as exemplified by your
casual blaspheming, your casual rudeness and callousness, your sense
of entitlement and of not being bound by the rules (such as to remain
on topic about Java here), your sense of superiority and justification
in stepping on other people and being openly and publicly disdainful
to everyone that isn't in full agreement with you about everything,
and your inability to let go of anything for very long. You can't go
for more than a few weeks without reflexively invoking the "Twisted is
evil" meme in some way, shape, or form, anywhere you can shoehorn it
in, even if it's completely irrelevant to its surroundings. Clearly,
you are sick and need help.
Your behavior disrupts this newsgroup. It contributes to the vast
majority of off-topic postings here; I could about 5% spam, 5% random
nonsense from random sources, 45% you lot ragging on one person or
another for their perceived faults and inadequacies, or else randomly
taking unprovoked potshots at me /in absentia/, and 45% people
(including me) fighting back in response to your 45%. So you're
directly responsible for nearly half, and indirectly for nearly all,
of this newsgroup's off-topic traffic. And it's a lot, in absolute
volume (~30-40 posts a day at my estimate) and relative (your nonsense
and its replies comprise maybe 10% of the entire traffic volume for
this group -- do you really think your personal beefs with me and a
handful of other people merits that much traffic IN A JAVA NEWSGROUP?!
The sheer arrogance!)
Furthermore, your behavior may put off newcomers. Flame threads not
involving them may put them off -- "looks like a rough joint, I don't
think I want to go in there". And being nitpicky, unfriendly, and
generally insulting and dismissive towards a sizable proportion of
newcomers making good-faith posts is going to put them off even more.
Arne is the worst for this, particularly brutish and short-tempered,
and prone to bulldog obsessiveness in mauling his chosen target-du-
jour, but none of you lot are much better.
Last but not least, the time you spend being vicious and nasty here,
grinding your various axes, is time NOT spent productively writing
about Java here. Many of you (though not some of the especially
trollish, though these latter tend to come and go rather than persist,
or rather tend to follow me from newsgroup to newsgroup rather than
remain in cljp) appear to have a fair amount of Java expertise, though
unfortunately you rarely help anyone with any of it without doing so
in a way seemingly calculated to make them look stupid in front of an
audience.
If you would only spend the time and energy you currently use to
attack people instead to respond to more of the Java-related traffic,
and would furthermore make an effort to check your superiority complex
and its attendant rudeness at the door, the effects could be
profoundly beneficial. This could become an excellent technical forum
with genteel decorum, instead of the rough and somewhat dangerous dive
it is now.
For a role model, you need look no farther than Patricia Shanahan. She
has not been perfect, having mildly insulted me herself on one or two
occasions, but she's a paragon of virtue compared to you lot.
Knowledgeable, patient, and most of all, lacking that disdainful
superior condescending attitude that all but oozes from every pore of
your rankly smelling bodies. She's the one for you to emulate, if you
aspire to join civilized society sometime soon.
Please see your psychiatrists now, and please refrain from posting any
more fighting posts until you have done so. Or, preferably, until
never.
I most likely get far more messages (between email and newsgroup
postings) in a day then you do, yet I have no problems keeping up with
it all.
Neither do I. I just have better things to spend my time on than
posting counter-propaganda, so the less of your pointless attack
propaganda I have to counter, the better. For both of us, since I'm
sure your time is valuable too, and it is definitely not productively
spent on a futile propaganda campaign. It's negative-sum behavior --
you waste some of your time to waste some of my time, and get nothing
out of it.
Keep in mind also that you have ganged up on me. Several of you are
attacking one of me, which means if you spend say one hour a week
posting nonsense about me I end up spending roughly *five* responding,
assuming that we all take equal amounts of time to read one post and,
separately, equal-but-longer amounts of time to write one post.
Not only is this clearly grossly unfair, it also means that a point is
reached where your catching up is still below some threshold of time-
wastiness but mine has risen above it, all other things being equal
except our respective numbers.
That you're currently also fighting someone else, Harry Yarrow or
whatever his name was, dilutes that by 50% at most, so I'm still
spending 2.5x as much time a week on this as any single one of you is.
Assuming you all divide your time evenly among your current targets,
of course.
Ultimately, though, it's all very wasteful. A first reasonable de-
escalation step that will save all of us a lot of time is if you all
resolve to limit your attack-posting to one day a week, and that you
do not update your view of the newsgroup until you've said your fill
of nastiness for the week, so we don't get locked into a cycle where
you post something nasty, I post to defend myself, you refresh within
a few minutes and immediately post a nasty followup, I (using Google
Groups, unavoidably) see your new post immediately and must respond,
and so forth.
After that, de-escalation can proceed by a scaling-back. Perhaps with
a quota, initially of 10 nasty posts a week and diminishing by one a
week. (That means I have to respond to a whopping 50 or so in that
first week, 45 in the second, and so on, by the way.)
At the end of it, there will be a tenth week in which you each say
your final piece about me, and then I post a final rebuttal of
whatever you each said about me. And then we leave one another in
peace.
This will end the pointless fighting and the wasting of time that is
happening, without you seeming to just capitulate abruptly. My final
round of replies will be purely defensive, without any "you're the
liar" or similar that you might feel cannot be allowed to stand
unopposed. So at the end nobody will have outstanding unchallenged
insults standing against them -- a tie score, no winners, but no
losers. You are determined not to lose and you won't. I am determined
not to lose and I won't. That's as close to win-win as we can
conceivably get in this situation.
At the end of that, detente.
I suggest you come to a similar accomodation with Harry and anyone
else you might be mistreating that is showing a tendency to fight back
instead of lie down and take it. Also that you stop being quite as ...
"rough" with the newbies, who by and large don't deserve the scorn and
open ridicule that is often heaped upon them by you lot.
Do that as well, and we don't just all not lose; we all win. And the
newbies also win.
It's really rather hard to argue with that, unless you really are
incorrigible haters out for blood with callous disregard for the
effects on yourselves and others.
Please prove to all of us that you are not.
Detente is offered, on not-unfavorable terms. Will you accept it?
[implied insults deleted]
None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.
And don't try to [implied insults deleted]
None of the nasty things that you have said or implied about me are at
all true.
AND STOP BLOODY SHOUTING!
You first.
Yes, I know you're not (except right there, above) using all-caps.
Instead you're using numbers, several of you versus one of me (and one
of some other guy, separately), and repetition (several essentially-
identical insulting and off-topic posts a week about me, each). But it
amounts to the same thing.
Trying to outshout each other regarding who we think is the bigger
idiot is wasting time and effort for all of us; see above for a way
out that all of us might find acceptable, if none of you are too
unreasonable or too set upon outright-malicious goals.
